Comments on: Google hitting Micro$oft where it hurts. http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:35:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Baz http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-78031 Baz Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:04:46 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-78031 IE8 is slow FF3.5 is very fast, Chrome V1 is faster.... ... Says it all really, we all know who will win, between them, Chrome and FF have over 50% of the market share http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp IE8 is slow FF3.5 is very fast, Chrome V1 is faster….

… Says it all really, we all know who will win, between them, Chrome and FF have over 50% of the market share http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

]]> By: Rob http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76797 Rob Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:24:53 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76797 Yeah thought about it later, I an all mac'ed up now so the whole pc thing is finished for me Yeah thought about it later, I an all mac'ed up now so the whole pc thing is finished for me

]]> By: The Geek http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76770 The Geek Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:07:33 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76770 Roosta: I agree, I'm not fond of the way that google plays with peoples information, but then that's what pays the piper in their current lineup so the option will probably be use it for free but this is what we want from you. Mark: By serious player I mean monied player, I know exactly what you're talking about in regard to the linux end of things, and indeed they are serious about what they do. I'm talking about someone who may actually have the capabilities to break the current MS monopoly on OS installation at source of product. This will take a player in the marketplace with both the money and expertise to do. I'm not slagging but Linux distribution is confined mainly to those who are willing to put in a share of work. It is still somewhat stunted by a lack of serious monetary backing to bring it up to mainstream usage. Googles version will have the backing behind it (Along with the open sourcing to get the developers on board hopefully, without this, it is of course doomed to failure.) Android is Google OS for phones (Originally). Chrome OS is the next logical step. Regarding Apple, that will happen when the apple OS can be fully installed on a bog standard non-proprietary machine, that you can fire parts into without them costing an arm and a leg, but again this is the main source of income for Apple not the software, the so-called "Apple Tax". Not likely to shoot themselves in the foot by doing so. Would be nice though. Kae: I've used everything from Netscape, Mozilla to Opera, lotus to Borland office when it was around (Paradox, wordperfect and Quattro Pro) , Staroffice, openoffice and a couple of other freebies. The OS is the last bulwark. I'm not disputing the roots of any of the software you mentioned, I'm describing how I feel about how the Google machine works. What I'm hoping is that we can get to a stage where no single company has a stranglehold on what Joe bloggs has in his machine when he buys it from PCWorld or Dell and what he has to pay for it. I'm trying to say, however badly worded it is, that maybe when this row is all over, that we can have an operating system (which every computer needs to work) installed in a machine at the beginning without having to pay over the top for it, which "Joe" currently has to do. I'm not Jumping on any bandwagon here, I have too much invested in specific windows software that doesn't have any free comparable alternatives to ever pull completely away from it in all of my machines but there will be some that will never see windows. Brian: The rumours about "Cloud office" have been flying for a while, those links hint that we're going to see it sooner rather than later. In this case the question might have been who was following who's lead? Google Docs was the first working "Cloud Office" software that I know of, I stand to be corrected on this. Again it'll be very interesting to see how MS will deal with the financial end of the system. I could be very wrong but I can't imagine them being free, Maybe they'll take the "Free cut down version" route? Rob: we're talking about apples and oranges here, Chrome OS will be an operating system, not a web browser. Roosta: I agree, I'm not fond of the way that google plays with peoples information, but then that's what pays the piper in their current lineup so the option will probably be use it for free but this is what we want from you.

Mark: By serious player I mean monied player, I know exactly what you're talking about in regard to the linux end of things, and indeed they are serious about what they do. I'm talking about someone who may actually have the capabilities to break the current MS monopoly on OS installation at source of product. This will take a player in the marketplace with both the money and expertise to do. I'm not slagging but Linux distribution is confined mainly to those who are willing to put in a share of work. It is still somewhat stunted by a lack of serious monetary backing to bring it up to mainstream usage. Googles version will have the backing behind it (Along with the open sourcing to get the developers on board hopefully, without this, it is of course doomed to failure.) Android is Google OS for phones (Originally). Chrome OS is the next logical step.
Regarding Apple, that will happen when the apple OS can be fully installed on a bog standard non-proprietary machine, that you can fire parts into without them costing an arm and a leg, but again this is the main source of income for Apple not the software, the so-called "Apple Tax". Not likely to shoot themselves in the foot by doing so. Would be nice though.

Kae: I've used everything from Netscape, Mozilla to Opera, lotus to Borland office when it was around (Paradox, wordperfect and Quattro Pro) , Staroffice, openoffice and a couple of other freebies. The OS is the last bulwark. I'm not disputing the roots of any of the software you mentioned, I'm describing how I feel about how the Google machine works. What I'm hoping is that we can get to a stage where no single company has a stranglehold on what Joe bloggs has in his machine when he buys it from PCWorld or Dell and what he has to pay for it. I'm trying to say, however badly worded it is, that maybe when this row is all over, that we can have an operating system (which every computer needs to work) installed in a machine at the beginning without having to pay over the top for it, which "Joe" currently has to do. I'm not Jumping on any bandwagon here, I have too much invested in specific windows software that doesn't have any free comparable alternatives to ever pull completely away from it in all of my machines but there will be some that will never see windows.

Brian: The rumours about "Cloud office" have been flying for a while, those links hint that we're going to see it sooner rather than later. In this case the question might have been who was following who's lead? Google Docs was the first working "Cloud Office" software that I know of, I stand to be corrected on this. Again it'll be very interesting to see how MS will deal with the financial end of the system. I could be very wrong but I can't imagine them being free, Maybe they'll take the "Free cut down version" route?

Rob: we're talking about apples and oranges here, Chrome OS will be an operating system, not a web browser.

]]> By: Rob http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76767 Rob Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:23:09 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76767 Isn't Opera free also? Great platform with mobile browser; PDA and desktop? Maybe I am talking out my arse @ didn't understand. Isn't Opera free also? Great platform with mobile browser; PDA and desktop?
Maybe I am talking out my arse @ didn't understand.

]]> By: Brian http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76741 Brian Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:37:56 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76741 Some interesting links: http://www.businessinsider.com/mic-2009-7 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/07/googles-chrome-os-coming-to-netbooks-in-late-2010.ars http://lifehacker.com/5310444/remains-of-the-day-microsofts-answer-to-chrome-os-edition http://lifehacker.com/5309937/nine-must+have-features-we-want-to-see-in-a-google-os http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20827&tag=nl.e019 For me the big thing with google and it's apps is how they give their services for free by allowing your info to be searched by their advertisers for them to try and sell you something. I don't mind it with my personal gmail (and i use a few FF plugins to avoid seeing the ads in the first place, heh-heh!) but I wouldn't fancy using it for confidential company docs. I think most people will feel the same. It will make inroads in the private world or for small business' starting out. I don't see it making much inroads in mainstream business world. Brian Some interesting links:
http://www.businessinsider.com/mic-2009-7
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/07/googles-chrome-os-coming-to-netbooks-in-late-2010.ars
http://lifehacker.com/5310444/remains-of-the-day-microsofts-answer-to-chrome-os-edition
http://lifehacker.com/5309937/nine-must+have-features-we-want-to-see-in-a-google-os
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20827&tag=nl.e019

For me the big thing with google and it's apps is how they give their services for free by allowing your info to be searched by their advertisers for them to try and sell you something. I don't mind it with my personal gmail (and i use a few FF plugins to avoid seeing the ads in the first place, heh-heh!) but I wouldn't fancy using it for confidential company docs. I think most people will feel the same. It will make inroads in the private world or for small business' starting out. I don't see it making much inroads in mainstream business world.

Brian

]]> By: Kae http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76721 Kae Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:07:24 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76721 "the strength of the Google corporate machine helped it to overtake all of the Linux freebies", and yet in the previous sentence you say that Firefox and Safari are ahead of it. Firefox and Safari were both Linux browsers well before they were ported to Windows or Mac. In Safari's case, it comes from the Konqueror browser used in KDE. Are you suggesting that because they also run on Windows, that they are therefore not Linux browsers? In that case, the only operating system in the running at all is Windows, because that's the only thing that IE will run reliably on. In all other browser's cases, they run on a variety of systems. 'Let there be no doubt, Google is the only serious player left to “Fight the good fight”.' - I also disagree with this. Google is the only /high-profile/ player currently threatening Windows, but Linux and the other freebies are slowly but steadily gaining popularity through word-of-mouth, which is sometimes a better form of advertising than the paid kind. The last paragraph implies that Google's OS will somehow finally break people away from the reliance on Windows' software. I see no compelling evidence, though. You mention Google Docs, Spreadsheet, GMail and Calendar, yet these are all available in all operating systems, so can't be used as an example. What about Sage, Photoshop, all the hundreds of popular games, and all the other OS-specific speciality programs which are the reason why people are currently stuck with the behemoth? I won't be jumping on the band-wagon. They're not doing anything new by trying this - they're just doing it louder. "the strength of the Google corporate machine helped it to overtake all of the Linux freebies", and yet in the previous sentence you say that Firefox and Safari are ahead of it. Firefox and Safari were both Linux browsers well before they were ported to Windows or Mac. In Safari's case, it comes from the Konqueror browser used in KDE.
Are you suggesting that because they also run on Windows, that they are therefore not Linux browsers? In that case, the only operating system in the running at all is Windows, because that's the only thing that IE will run reliably on. In all other browser's cases, they run on a variety of systems.
'Let there be no doubt, Google is the only serious player left to “Fight the good fight”.' – I also disagree with this. Google is the only /high-profile/ player currently threatening Windows, but Linux and the other freebies are slowly but steadily gaining popularity through word-of-mouth, which is sometimes a better form of advertising than the paid kind.
The last paragraph implies that Google's OS will somehow finally break people away from the reliance on Windows' software. I see no compelling evidence, though. You mention Google Docs, Spreadsheet, GMail and Calendar, yet these are all available in all operating systems, so can't be used as an example. What about Sage, Photoshop, all the hundreds of popular games, and all the other OS-specific speciality programs which are the reason why people are currently stuck with the behemoth?
I won't be jumping on the band-wagon. They're not doing anything new by trying this – they're just doing it louder.

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76715 Bock Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:39:02 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76715 Heck? As in <i>darn you to heck?</i> Heck?

As in darn you to heck?

]]> By: Mark Dennehy http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76702 Mark Dennehy Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:22:36 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76702 The only serious player to take on Microsoft in the OS area is Google? FFS Bock, the Google OS isn't even an OS, it's just a fancy window manager running on a Linux Kernel! And what about Android? In fact, feck that, what about Red Hat, Ubuntu, Suse, and the other Linux distributors? Or, for that matter, what the heck about <b>Apple</b>??? The only serious player to take on Microsoft in the OS area is Google?
FFS Bock, the Google OS isn't even an OS, it's just a fancy window manager running on a Linux Kernel!
And what about Android?

In fact, feck that, what about Red Hat, Ubuntu, Suse, and the other Linux distributors?

Or, for that matter, what the heck about Apple???

]]> By: roosta http://bocktherobber.com/2009/07/google-hitting-microoft-where-it-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-76698 roosta Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:46:31 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=6172#comment-76698 ......but then Google implant themselves as the all dominant player..and they become the monopoly we hate....arn't you wary of Google's dominance? Especially their complete dominance of the ad-game and their access to our data.. I'm all for competition..I just hope its a good product. I'm not too keen on Chrome as a browser. Of course, as you say, their applications are great. GMail is untouchable at the moment. Plus, it should be noted, they are doing nothing new..giving Linux away for free.. Still, it makes the whole game more interesting. But i'm an Apple man anyways..but its nice to watch the show.. ……but then Google implant themselves as the all dominant player..and they become the monopoly we hate….arn't you wary of Google's dominance? Especially their complete dominance of the ad-game and their access to our data..

I'm all for competition..I just hope its a good product. I'm not too keen on Chrome as a browser. Of course, as you say, their applications are great. GMail is untouchable at the moment.

Plus, it should be noted, they are doing nothing new..giving Linux away for free..

Still, it makes the whole game more interesting. But i'm an Apple man anyways..but its nice to watch the show..

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