Comments on: Why Do Clergy Control Schools and Hospitals in Ireland? http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:35:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brian http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-76093 Brian Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:01:32 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-76093 National education was established in Ireland in 1831 by the state, not by the church (and a full generation before they got it in England: I suppose they were just checking out whether it would topple the system before educating the English poor!). The church did everything they could to destroy this state education and gain control of the schools. This they achieved by the second half on the 19th century. The government (spineless as usual) caved in. So in response to previous posts, the Brits can't be blamed for this particular crime (oh that would be so easy, which is why several leading FFers are trying to). National education was established in Ireland in 1831 by the state, not by the church (and a full generation before they got it in England: I suppose they were just checking out whether it would topple the system before educating the English poor!). The church did everything they could to destroy this state education and gain control of the schools. This they achieved by the second half on the 19th century. The government (spineless as usual) caved in. So in response to previous posts, the Brits can't be blamed for this particular crime (oh that would be so easy, which is why several leading FFers are trying to).

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73880 Bock Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:04:53 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73880 Abdul -- Calm down there. As far as I'm aware the Catholic church lobbied the British government to gain control of education for its own nefarious purposes. What did the Romans ever do for us? Abdul — Calm down there. As far as I'm aware the Catholic church lobbied the British government to gain control of education for its own nefarious purposes.

What did the Romans ever do for us?

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]]> By: Abdul http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73836 Abdul Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:26:50 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73836 Blame the Brits.It all goes back to the hedge schools and the penal laws. Dam priests started hauling kids off into the bushes to teach them to read and write and other such nonsense. Within a generation the Irish were entertaining high felutin ideas, such as being allowed to vote, own horses and e-man-cip-fucking-pation. Demanding it they were, roaring for it, I say. So blame the darn Brits.If they hadn't denied Catholics an education then the Church would might not have darkened the door of our classrooms. Blame the Brits.It all goes back to the hedge schools and the penal laws. Dam priests started hauling kids off into the bushes to teach them to read and write and other such nonsense. Within a generation the Irish were entertaining high felutin ideas, such as being allowed to vote, own horses and e-man-cip-fucking-pation. Demanding it they were, roaring for it, I say. So blame the darn Brits.If they hadn't denied Catholics an education then the Church would might not have darkened the door of our classrooms.

]]> By: bigmentaldisease http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73833 bigmentaldisease Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:01:43 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73833 Another reason I'll probably never have kids. I couldn't bring myself to submit to that shower of fucking bastards just to get the child into a half decent school. Another reason I'll probably never have kids.

I couldn't bring myself to submit to that shower of fucking bastards just to get the child into a half decent school.

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73780 Bock Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:29:55 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73780 Robert-- They were first with schools and hospitals because they exerted so much political pressure on Irish governments to make sure they had control of health and education. It was nothing to do with altruism and everything to do with power. Robert– They were first with schools and hospitals because they exerted so much political pressure on Irish governments to make sure they had control of health and education. It was nothing to do with altruism and everything to do with power.

]]> By: unstranger http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73766 unstranger Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:55:08 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73766 The pedophile ring that is the church have no interest in anything that doesn't give them access to children so all those areas mentioned are safe enough from them. Well spotted BOCK. The pedophile ring that is the church have no interest in anything that doesn't give them access to children so all those areas mentioned are safe enough from them.

Well spotted BOCK.

]]> By: VincentH http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73758 VincentH Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:47:51 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73758 Don't forget that the schools and hospitals are getting an income from the state, rent and so forth. So all in all, taking them over will have a positive cost benefit. Don't forget that the schools and hospitals are getting an income from the state, rent and so forth. So all in all, taking them over will have a positive cost benefit.

]]> By: Robert http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73736 Robert Sun, 31 May 2009 22:54:02 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73736 The reason they controlled the schools and hospitals is because they were the first to set up schools and hospitals. That does not mean they should control them now however, and not just in light of the Ryan report. But to imply they had no expertise in either field in the first instance is to deny historical fact. They never controlled oil fields and such. They did however establish places for the education of children and the welfare of the infirm. It's a pity that they never maintained those principles. Shut them down, their time has passed, in some cases, thankfully The reason they controlled the schools and hospitals is because they were the first to set up schools and hospitals.

That does not mean they should control them now however, and not just in light of the Ryan report.

But to imply they had no expertise in either field in the first instance is to deny historical fact.

They never controlled oil fields and such. They did however establish places for the education of children and the welfare of the infirm. It's a pity that they never maintained those principles.

Shut them down, their time has passed, in some cases, thankfully

]]> By: Doctor Orgasm http://bocktherobber.com/2009/05/why-do-clergy-control-schools-and-hospitals-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-73723 Doctor Orgasm Sun, 31 May 2009 20:56:50 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=5030#comment-73723 How aboput we get whatever order Jack Hackett belongs to to run the pubs? I'd vote for that. How aboput we get whatever order Jack Hackett belongs to to run the pubs?

I'd vote for that.

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