Comments on: Commission on Child Abuse Report Published

By: cas

cas — Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:36:10 +0000

thanks for reading my post.
it is certain that the residents of clonmel borstal,established to reform and educate young offenders and based upon the english models, were taken to cork prison for a period . the military assumed the building until 1947. the bars were removed and renovations were undertaken.the borstal premises cannot be confused with ferryhouse. my rsearch uncovered the fact that many native tipperary folk thought ferryhouse was the borstal but it was an entirely different building,run by the department of justice. ireland had its own borstal association at one point!
my fathers solicitors should have had this information ,they didn't read his letters or any of my correspondence thouroughly had they done so,had they researched and questioned him personally at an early stage,they would have realised this institution wasn't on the LIST and he would be wasting his time pursuing a claim. we trusted them to be informed-they were not.

By: Bock

Bock — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:36:50 +0000

Cas — Apologies. Your comment slipped under the radar and I didn't notice it. Maybe somebody here will have the answers for you.

Vincent — I actually have no idea where you live, but that's neither here nor there. Whatever you can dig up, I'm sure Cas would be grateful.

By: Vincent

Vincent — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:12:27 +0000

Bock, as you may know I live relatively near Clonmel.
The Borstal in Clonmel was Ferryhouse or the County Prison. However, neither were required for the Army.
What was required was Glencee in the mountains above Bray in Wicklow.
But I will check, for there is something really odd about this communication, and someone that might need a bit of help.

By: cas

cas — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:45:37 +0000

my father has been trying to obtain justice for approximately 6 years now. he is 84 and has been represented by a solicitor in dublin. when he was asked where he was he was uncertain, knowing only that he had been sentenced to 3 years borstal for a crime he didn't commit. he was sent there in 1945 at a time when the clonmel borstal was being used by the military and the other detainees had been transferred to cork prison where he joined them. in all our correspondence with the solicitors and several other gov. depts the word borstal was used extensively in our attempts to find records for him.my sister and i visited cork and spoke to historians there. we visited court houses and archives to try and locate him . our solicitors had investigated all the residential institutions on the LIST to no avail because he was in the only borstal to exist in eire. six years of an old mans life have been spent looking in the wrong direction despite our letters regarding BORSTAL. this institution which was run by the department of justice is not included on the redress board list – why? my father was abused in this state run institution – what justice is there for him. it amazes me that two laypeople were able to discover more information than the solicitors representing their father, that we have more knowledge regarding the penal system than the barrister who represented him at his hearing. if any of you know people who attended this facility,which closed in 1954 or have any advice to give we would be so grateful. naturally this posting doesn't tell the whole story but suffice it to say that the last 6 years have been pretty draining for both ourselves and our father. we certainly dont believe our solicitors had a clue what the were looking for and were more interested in their returns,they never read the material,they never paid a personal visit had they done so they might have been able to tell an old man that he could not be considered as he was in borstal not a listed residential institution!

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By: John Rock

John Rock — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:30:40 +0000

In answer to raphael- I was told a couple of years ago that on a "pilgrimage' to Upton (in a vain attempt to exorcise bad memories) that Johnson left the order.
Lacking a spirit of forgiveness despite extensive therapy i could quite cheerfully machine -gun that guy without compunction. He was a mad dog.

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By: KenOB

KenOB — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:00:50 +0000

@ Paul,
Kind of got your point, fair enough but, you are in fact associating by default Homosexuality with Paedophilia in both of your comments. I do not think we want a situation where your average Mo is getting bashed either physically or metaphorically by people disgusted by the actions of religious orders/paedos/the state.

By: Polonius

Polonius — Fri, 22 May 2009 08:23:49 +0000

The Church's control of education is still intact. Primary teacher education is virtually denominational in its entirety. Boards of Management of schools, as structured, have a certain number of nomineees by the patron, i.e. the local Bishop, which ensures conformity. Employment of teachers is controlled by boards who shun candidates without Rel Ed. diplomas. The Rules for National Schools allow for half an hour of RE per day. This rule is breached continuously with all sorts of religious events of a protracted nature. Does the DES stand its ground in implementing its own rules? Certainly not. This is the result of a supine political class who have never challenged this dominance. Some notable exceptions have appeared of course: Browne, Kemmy, Gregory, Spicer, but the wilderness created by the ruling old boy class of church educated patriarchs has soon drowned them out.

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 22 May 2009 08:21:09 +0000

Bock. Apologies – extremely upset and disturbed and didnt express self clearly – trying to make a point about deference to organisations when in fact organisations are made up of individuals who often get involved in those organisations for reasons of self interest – politicians in it for money, bankers……terrorists….priests…..the point trying to make is never ever defer to an organisation / institution when your instincts are telling you otherwise. I have no problem with gays either – my brother in law was just talking about gay life in europe. I do have a problem with gays or anybody else who uses the banner of an organisation to pursue their own self interest with abject disregard for the people the organisation is there to serve. If it doesnt feel right do not defer – deference is what has got us into the various messes we are in. We need to trust our decent instincts – see the world as it is not as how it is spun. Our deference is the most powerful weapon these bastards have – the deny until hell freezes over principle – it works because we defer. More understanding of how organisations and individuals work will make people more confident, challenge more likely, reduce that deference and keep a check on evil.