Comments on: Child Abuse — Bishops Begin To Crack

By: dee baird

dee baird — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:21:13 +0000

let the worms squirm! a lot of the church's victims in canada carry a load of hate and shame.many suffer from P.T.S .D. (post truamatic stress disorder), for the rest of their lives.they have gone through a war of attrition and their reward was not a medal but shell shock,not warn with pride but unbearable shame and suffering.do not be fooled.the victims of abuse, non sexual as well,sometimes turn out to be abusers themselves.what they have learned at the hands of vicious sadists when still children,their pent up hurt and anger is taken out on others as they go through life adrift. i have ptsd myself.i am 68 years old and still suffer from flashbacks.i cannot bear anyone to scream in terror,every nerve in my body jumps as i look for the source of the screams and try to run to the rescue.i literally hung from a fire escape platform to scream myself at a pimp who was beating a very small girl.he told me to mind my own business.just as i was to run down the stairs she was rescued.my blood pressure went through the roof.it takes a long time to calm down after trauma.ptsd gives a person panic attacks as well.your heart is racing so hard and fast that it makes you dizzy and you think you are dying.they can be controlled with training, but sneak up on you when least expected.some victims turn to slashing or hitting themselves as hard as possible.that pain takes the other away for a short while.you jump at every little sound if it has been quiet for awhile.people have literally seen both of my feet leave the floor at sudden loud noises.i still do this at my age and live with the stigma from family members.this is one of the hardest things to experience.if they have'nt been there,they don't understand and most refuse because we can make them jumpy when under stress.if you can't turn to your famil;y , where do you turn?at times ,factually, your family is harder on you than others. being exposed to .traumatic events in some cases for years will cause this disease.my father brought it with him from wwi in vimy france.the continual cannon booms and flashes from all sides wore him down.he was terrified of thunder and lightning and would shake severely.he drank so much that he was found where he had passed out in a snow bank.he was dead.this disease can be a slow killer and causes suicide as well at times. it is hard to describe how hopeless one feels.it is easy to identify with the irish victims.bless them all. i am also of irish descent on both sides.proud to be.

By: EashtGalwayWoman

EashtGalwayWoman — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:49:21 +0000

after reading so much of the Ryan report I had to share this . http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=6845192

By: arag0rn

arag0rn — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:19:37 +0000

It is a good question on removing the church from the education of Irish youth. (better placed in Bocks other post I think). In any modern business, senior management (govt) would do a value analysis to see what does the church bring to the table in the education system, and if indeed they are found wanting, or if a better alternative is available, then a change should / would be initiated.

In any modern business, if department heads were seen to facilitate and cover up the wanton abuse of the company's assets (Irish youth), then not only should the business owners strive to remove them from their position of authority, but the legal system would probably be brought to bear on them for fraud.

Of course, from what is becoming apparent with our floundering political leaders, is that they don't see that they have any responsibility to manage or even lead, they grant exceptions and get-out-of-jail-cards (literally) to corrupt bankers, development wankers and craw thumping deviant religious leaders.

Ah Ireland… the twinkle in our eye isn't mischievousness and divil-may-care derring do any more. It's a teardrop-potent mix of despondency, fear, and self loathing. Cheers, I need a pint.

By: Bock the Robber

Bock the Robber — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:55:01 +0000

They contribute nothing to education apart from control. We pay for the teachers and the buildings.

By: Nkc

Nkc — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:12:03 +0000

Hey Bock, agree with what you are saying here. Would you say that kicking them out of our education and health systems would leave a big hole in resources on those fronts? I wouldn't know where to start looking for figures on this, but it's always been my impression that the church (while a detrimental, anti-modern force in nearly every other respect in Ireland) had a role to play in providing these services last century. And at a time when the State could neither afford nor had experience to do so.

Of course, saying that, the kind of shit that was going on was not fucking ok or anything. Just a point.

By: jimbo

jimbo — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:26:11 +0000

if any victim gets taken to court for blasphemy or defamation or
whatever the crooks/perverts want to call it
i will be there with my chequebook and i will easily contribute 100 euros
anybody with me?

By: CD

CD — Fri, 29 May 2009 14:02:00 +0000

Don't think that's correct about the blasphemy law – it's the new defamation bill that would apply. Defamation only occurs if the allegations cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

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By: Hoof

Hoof — Tue, 26 May 2009 14:01:26 +0000

They want to "negotiate" directly with the abused about paying another pithy amount, are these people fucking seriously trying to palm themselves off as some kind of dis-interested observers in all this?

It's like a murderer serving a sentence, who, upon being found guilty of having committed four other killings, deciding to offer to serve a further six months if it suits him.

Having watched the abuse victim on Q&A last night make one of the most powerful and eloquent statements of this entire and shameful era, to turn on my radio this morning and have to listen incredulously to a soft-spoken CORI lackey blaming just about everyone else for the activities of its rapist congregations, side-stepping the issues as much as possible telling us that hospitals and schools still depend on religious (???) and pleading the poor mouth despite the interviewer being able to recall off the top of his head a single deal involving the Oblate Order a few years back which netted the operators of the Daingean Stalag in Offaly a cool â‚¬105 million.

If it needs an amendment to the Constitution to seize the properties of these vile Orders, I believe a date during October is available and it can be held along with the Lisbon #2 referendum.

btw, any word of condemnation of the CORI 18 yet from those staunch defenders of (albeit unborn) catholic children such as Hauptmann Justin Barrett of Youth Defence, Dana, Kathy Sinnott, Lord Ganley and others of the catholic funda-mentalist set? Usually impossible to shut up once they start, now they're all clams.

By: Bock

Bock — Mon, 25 May 2009 19:37:10 +0000

You're right. that's the subject of the next Bock lead post.