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		<title>By: Mervyn Crawford</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/investigate-war-crimes-now-says-israeli-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-66559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mervyn Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Apologies RE-posting above point. Initially posted in error before complete)
I don&#039;t believe you can draw any other conclusion from the actions of the Israeli state except that they wish to provoke terror reaction from Hamas. Given that the Zionist state was built on a mountain of lies, and its own filthy history is largely unknown by most Israeli citizens, the Zionists are continuously driven to create the &#039;proof&#039; for their own lying claims.

For me this raises two questions: 

The bankrupt terror methods of Hamas, and PLO before that, can only reinforce the Zionist myth that Israel represents the antithesis of the supposedly atavistic states and peoples that surround it. 
Hamas, PLO...(all the political groupings, who find themselves opposing Israel) use these bankrupt methods of terror because the only alternative they see is the pushing of Israel to the table for negotiation, for concessions.
And they have this outlook because for them (Hamas et al) the mass of the people are not an actor in the drama. 
Rather the &#039;People&#039; whom nationalists always claim to speak for (not lead, mind you) are a passive, amorphous entity that things can only happen to.  The &#039;People&#039; are never capable of taking the initiative, combining, engaging in a struggle with the reactionaries, and for a new futur).
Hamas&#039; ideology is the other side of the same coin of the Zionists&#039; claim. Hamas say &#039;No! Our people are good people. They are not savages!&#039;

Both Hamas and Israel fear the masses mobilized. They fear above all politics!

You cannot understand what is happening in the Midddle East (for want of a better term) without studying the history of Zionism, Arab Nationalism, Nazism, counter-revolutionary Stalinism, American Imperilaism,.....
All these issues must be studied closely (and they have been). An understanding of the war crimes in Gaza does not end in revealing what the IDF did - that is only the start of an understanding, not the end.  You cannot defeat Zionism without knowing what it is.

So, for me this raises the second question. If nationalist (superficial) approaches to the struggle do not work (and they have not) then what is the struggle?

Is it enough to condemn Israeli atrocities? I put this question most seriously. Not as a petty attempt to score points. 

The butchery of the IDF is, I believe, only a taste of what Imperialist and capitalist powers have on offer for us, as the economic crisis unfolds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Apologies RE-posting above point. Initially posted in error before complete)<br />
I don&#039;t believe you can draw any other conclusion from the actions of the Israeli state except that they wish to provoke terror reaction from Hamas. Given that the Zionist state was built on a mountain of lies, and its own filthy history is largely unknown by most Israeli citizens, the Zionists are continuously driven to create the &#039;proof&#039; for their own lying claims.</p>
<p>For me this raises two questions: </p>
<p>The bankrupt terror methods of Hamas, and PLO before that, can only reinforce the Zionist myth that Israel represents the antithesis of the supposedly atavistic states and peoples that surround it.<br />
Hamas, PLO&#8230;(all the political groupings, who find themselves opposing Israel) use these bankrupt methods of terror because the only alternative they see is the pushing of Israel to the table for negotiation, for concessions.<br />
And they have this outlook because for them (Hamas et al) the mass of the people are not an actor in the drama.<br />
Rather the &#039;People&#039; whom nationalists always claim to speak for (not lead, mind you) are a passive, amorphous entity that things can only happen to.  The &#039;People&#039; are never capable of taking the initiative, combining, engaging in a struggle with the reactionaries, and for a new futur).<br />
Hamas&#039; ideology is the other side of the same coin of the Zionists&#039; claim. Hamas say &#039;No! Our people are good people. They are not savages!&#039;</p>
<p>Both Hamas and Israel fear the masses mobilized. They fear above all politics!</p>
<p>You cannot understand what is happening in the Midddle East (for want of a better term) without studying the history of Zionism, Arab Nationalism, Nazism, counter-revolutionary Stalinism, American Imperilaism,&#8230;..<br />
All these issues must be studied closely (and they have been). An understanding of the war crimes in Gaza does not end in revealing what the IDF did &#8211; that is only the start of an understanding, not the end.  You cannot defeat Zionism without knowing what it is.</p>
<p>So, for me this raises the second question. If nationalist (superficial) approaches to the struggle do not work (and they have not) then what is the struggle?</p>
<p>Is it enough to condemn Israeli atrocities? I put this question most seriously. Not as a petty attempt to score points. </p>
<p>The butchery of the IDF is, I believe, only a taste of what Imperialist and capitalist powers have on offer for us, as the economic crisis unfolds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mervyn Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mervyn Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe you can draw any other conclusion from the actions of the Israeli state except that they wish to provoke terror reaction from Hamas. Given that the Zionist state was built on a mountain of lies, and it&#039;s own filthy history is largely unknown by most Israeli citizens, the Zionists are continuously driven to create the &#039;proof&#039; for their own lying claims.

For me this raises two questions: 

The bankrupt terror methods of Hamas, and PLO before that, can only reinforce the Zionist myth that Israel reperesents the antithesis of the supposedly atavistsc states and peoples that surround it. 
Hamas, PLO...(all the political groupings, who find themselves opposing Israel) use these bankrupt methods of terror because the only alternative they see is the pushing of Israel to the table for negotiation, for concessions.
And they have this outlook because for them(Hamas et al) the mass of the people are not an actor in the drama. 
Rather the &#039;People&#039; whom nationalists always claim to speak for (not lead, mind you) are a passive, amorphous entity that things can only happen to.  The &#039;People&#039; are never capable of taking the initiaitive, combining, engaging in a struggle with the reaction (and for a new future).
Hamas&#039; ideology is the other side of the same coin of the Zionists&#039; claim. Hamas say &#039;No! Our people are good people. They are not savages!&#039;
Both Hamas and Israel fear the masses mobilised. They fear above all politics!
You cannot understand what is happening in the Midddle East (for want of a better term) without studying the history of Zionism, Arab Nationalism, Nazism, counter-revolutionary Stalinism, American Imperilaism,.....
All these issues must be studied closely (and they have been). An understanding of war crimes in Gaza does not end in reveling what the IDF did - that is only the start of an understanding not the end. And you cannot defeat Zionism without knowing what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t believe you can draw any other conclusion from the actions of the Israeli state except that they wish to provoke terror reaction from Hamas. Given that the Zionist state was built on a mountain of lies, and it&#039;s own filthy history is largely unknown by most Israeli citizens, the Zionists are continuously driven to create the &#039;proof&#039; for their own lying claims.</p>
<p>For me this raises two questions: </p>
<p>The bankrupt terror methods of Hamas, and PLO before that, can only reinforce the Zionist myth that Israel reperesents the antithesis of the supposedly atavistsc states and peoples that surround it.<br />
Hamas, PLO&#8230;(all the political groupings, who find themselves opposing Israel) use these bankrupt methods of terror because the only alternative they see is the pushing of Israel to the table for negotiation, for concessions.<br />
And they have this outlook because for them(Hamas et al) the mass of the people are not an actor in the drama.<br />
Rather the &#039;People&#039; whom nationalists always claim to speak for (not lead, mind you) are a passive, amorphous entity that things can only happen to.  The &#039;People&#039; are never capable of taking the initiaitive, combining, engaging in a struggle with the reaction (and for a new future).<br />
Hamas&#039; ideology is the other side of the same coin of the Zionists&#039; claim. Hamas say &#039;No! Our people are good people. They are not savages!&#039;<br />
Both Hamas and Israel fear the masses mobilised. They fear above all politics!<br />
You cannot understand what is happening in the Midddle East (for want of a better term) without studying the history of Zionism, Arab Nationalism, Nazism, counter-revolutionary Stalinism, American Imperilaism,&#8230;..<br />
All these issues must be studied closely (and they have been). An understanding of war crimes in Gaza does not end in reveling what the IDF did &#8211; that is only the start of an understanding not the end. And you cannot defeat Zionism without knowing what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ofer -- After great effort on my part, I&#039;ve eventually figured out how to speak for myself.  Thanks anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ofer &#8212; After great effort on my part, I&#039;ve eventually figured out how to speak for myself.  Thanks anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, I appreciate your attempt for a fruitful discussion, which is indeed difficult in this topic, but I think Bock IS talking about THE Israelis and THE Palestinians. In his view, and many others&#039;, there is an historic injustice here, committed by the Israelis, which brings the whole thing into asymmetry - any step the Israelis take will never be measured in itself, but always in view of this supposed injustice. So even if there are people on one side (Israel) who just want to live in peace, it&#039;s not good enough for Bock and others as long as this injustice exists. When you think about that, it&#039;s quite a problematic argument as it encourages militant actions over diplomacy, but that&#039;s a different story.

But regardless of that, people killing those who want to live at peace indeed exist on both sides (for the Palestinians don&#039;t count just the rockets, count also the numerous suicide bomber attacks). If Israel chooses to investigate itself, that should not stop anyone else from investigating, like I said, I&#039;m sure HRW will issue a report of their own, so why would you say anything negative about that (if I understood you correctly)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, I appreciate your attempt for a fruitful discussion, which is indeed difficult in this topic, but I think Bock IS talking about THE Israelis and THE Palestinians. In his view, and many others&#039;, there is an historic injustice here, committed by the Israelis, which brings the whole thing into asymmetry &#8211; any step the Israelis take will never be measured in itself, but always in view of this supposed injustice. So even if there are people on one side (Israel) who just want to live in peace, it&#039;s not good enough for Bock and others as long as this injustice exists. When you think about that, it&#039;s quite a problematic argument as it encourages militant actions over diplomacy, but that&#039;s a different story.</p>
<p>But regardless of that, people killing those who want to live at peace indeed exist on both sides (for the Palestinians don&#039;t count just the rockets, count also the numerous suicide bomber attacks). If Israel chooses to investigate itself, that should not stop anyone else from investigating, like I said, I&#039;m sure HRW will issue a report of their own, so why would you say anything negative about that (if I understood you correctly)?</p>
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		<title>By: Mervyn Crawford</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/investigate-war-crimes-now-says-israeli-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-66500</link>
		<dc:creator>Mervyn Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link to counterpunch article, &quot;The attack on Zeev Sternhell&quot;

http://www.counterpunch.org/cook09302008.html

Recommend Sternhell&#039;s book, &quot;The Founding Myths of Israel&quot;

It is a mistake to view israeli society as completely representative of Zionist rreaction.
There are fissures within Israel, which will split that country apart, under pressure of events to come. Just as there are fissures within Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link to counterpunch article, &#034;The attack on Zeev Sternhell&#034;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/cook09302008.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/cook09302008.html</a></p>
<p>Recommend Sternhell&#039;s book, &#034;The Founding Myths of Israel&#034;</p>
<p>It is a mistake to view israeli society as completely representative of Zionist rreaction.<br />
There are fissures within Israel, which will split that country apart, under pressure of events to come. Just as there are fissures within Ireland.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jeating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Jeating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following the reaction on this post and those postings related to  the &#039;topic&#039; I notice that quite a few commenters tend to generalise and  by talking at cross-purposes are missing the offered chance for a fruitful discussion.
Trying to explain: In case I am not getting Bock wrong this is not about THE Israelis and THE Palestinians. Itâ€™s about those on both (!) sides who would like to live in peace with their neighbours â€“ and if they worshipped the head of a dead sardine -, and those on both (!) sides who would not let them.
Well, given everybody here agrees to this: What would you call people whoâ€™re killing people who want to live in peace? And what would be your reaction, when any (alleged) killer would claim to act both as his own prosecutor and judge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following the reaction on this post and those postings related to  the &#039;topic&#039; I notice that quite a few commenters tend to generalise and  by talking at cross-purposes are missing the offered chance for a fruitful discussion.<br />
Trying to explain: In case I am not getting Bock wrong this is not about THE Israelis and THE Palestinians. Itâ€™s about those on both (!) sides who would like to live in peace with their neighbours â€“ and if they worshipped the head of a dead sardine -, and those on both (!) sides who would not let them.<br />
Well, given everybody here agrees to this: What would you call people whoâ€™re killing people who want to live in peace? And what would be your reaction, when any (alleged) killer would claim to act both as his own prosecutor and judge?</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for others who write about this, but in my case it&#039;s because I choose to.  If I had to explain the reasons for every post I write, I might as well stop doing this right now.

I suspect that some people are focussing on Gaza because they perceive the Israeli position to be hypocritical.  All right-thinking people are appalled by the treatment of European Jews and yet they see Israel creating a ghetto all of its own.  A ghetto which it routinely bombs in the name of security.

Ofer, you have killed 1300 people and maimed countless others.  I don&#039;t know how many you have crippled.  And you have done this in response to rocket attacks that were, as I have already said, of no military significance.  You have justified the attacks by telling us what Hamas wants to do to Israel.  In other words, what Hamas is thinking.

If we bombed everyone who hates us the world would be in a constant state of war.  

In a place like Gaza there is no such concept as collateral damage.  When your military bombed and shelled this crowded place, you knew you would kill huge numbers of civilians, and that is what happened.

Furthermore, you continue to blockade Gaza, limiting supplies of basic necessities.  You shell their coastline. You systematically destroyed their civilian infrastructure in the latest attack, which is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.  

These Palestinians are the people who had nowhere left to run after you took their homes, and now you confine them behind your wall, where you bombard and starve them.

Why are you surprised that they fire rockets at you?

Stand back and look at what your country is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t speak for others who write about this, but in my case it&#039;s because I choose to.  If I had to explain the reasons for every post I write, I might as well stop doing this right now.</p>
<p>I suspect that some people are focussing on Gaza because they perceive the Israeli position to be hypocritical.  All right-thinking people are appalled by the treatment of European Jews and yet they see Israel creating a ghetto all of its own.  A ghetto which it routinely bombs in the name of security.</p>
<p>Ofer, you have killed 1300 people and maimed countless others.  I don&#039;t know how many you have crippled.  And you have done this in response to rocket attacks that were, as I have already said, of no military significance.  You have justified the attacks by telling us what Hamas wants to do to Israel.  In other words, what Hamas is thinking.</p>
<p>If we bombed everyone who hates us the world would be in a constant state of war.  </p>
<p>In a place like Gaza there is no such concept as collateral damage.  When your military bombed and shelled this crowded place, you knew you would kill huge numbers of civilians, and that is what happened.</p>
<p>Furthermore, you continue to blockade Gaza, limiting supplies of basic necessities.  You shell their coastline. You systematically destroyed their civilian infrastructure in the latest attack, which is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.  </p>
<p>These Palestinians are the people who had nowhere left to run after you took their homes, and now you confine them behind your wall, where you bombard and starve them.</p>
<p>Why are you surprised that they fire rockets at you?</p>
<p>Stand back and look at what your country is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bock - not trying to change subject. I&#039;m really just puzzled sometimes, truly not being cynical here, why it is that of all conflicts in the world, Israel is taking so much relative attention and energy in worldwide opinion, compared to other, often much worse conflicts. That also makes Israelis sometimes feel (rightly or not, all in the eye of the beholder) like they&#039;re being handled in double standards. I&#039;m curious as to what you and others think about it, just think for a minute. Would make an interesting separate post if you think it&#039;s off-topic for this comment thread.
- is it because it&#039;s the holy land for many believers? 
- is it because there are jews involved (and in light of the holocaust etc etc)? 
- is it because there is more media coverage?
- is it because there is an assumption of more leverage of public opinion in this case?
- is it because the situation (good guys, bad guys etc.) seems clearer?
- ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bock &#8211; not trying to change subject. I&#039;m really just puzzled sometimes, truly not being cynical here, why it is that of all conflicts in the world, Israel is taking so much relative attention and energy in worldwide opinion, compared to other, often much worse conflicts. That also makes Israelis sometimes feel (rightly or not, all in the eye of the beholder) like they&#039;re being handled in double standards. I&#039;m curious as to what you and others think about it, just think for a minute. Would make an interesting separate post if you think it&#039;s off-topic for this comment thread.<br />
- is it because it&#039;s the holy land for many believers?<br />
- is it because there are jews involved (and in light of the holocaust etc etc)?<br />
- is it because there is more media coverage?<br />
- is it because there is an assumption of more leverage of public opinion in this case?<br />
- is it because the situation (good guys, bad guys etc.) seems clearer?<br />
- ??</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ofer -- 

Firstly, this piece is not about the Congo or Sri Lanka.  It&#039;s about Gaza.  Please don&#039;t try to change the subject.

Secondly, it doesn&#039;t matter what the nature of your enemy is.  You were still wrong to blast your way through civilians to get at them.  That was a crime.

[Note to everyone: if you include more than two links, your comment will automatically be held in moderation until released.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ofer &#8212; </p>
<p>Firstly, this piece is not about the Congo or Sri Lanka.  It&#039;s about Gaza.  Please don&#039;t try to change the subject.</p>
<p>Secondly, it doesn&#039;t matter what the nature of your enemy is.  You were still wrong to blast your way through civilians to get at them.  That was a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King&#039;s Bard - no, unless you take it out of context. I wasn&#039;t saying they were &quot;just&quot; following orders. By definition, soldiers follow orders in any army; that&#039;s why if the orders were to kill civilians, that would make super headlines, also in Israel. So these were NOT the orders, and then you can go on reading from there. So these are nice quotes, Sean, but quite irrelevant. If you knew any Israelis, you would know that they are the most self-opinioned people, and the last thing they&#039;ll do is blindly follow orders. This does not come to deny that people were killed, so spare me that line.

I wonder what are the chances for such reports to be read by you guys:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090126/world/mideast_conflict_gaza_eu_aid3rdlead&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hamas has &#039;overwhelming responsibility&#039; for Gaza war: EU&lt;/a&gt;

If you&#039;re really looking for war crimes, just wait for investigations to clear up, I&#039;m sure HRW will conduct theirs, and hopefully there will be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3661940,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more concrete data&lt;/a&gt; later on. In the meantime, save your energy, or if you&#039;re really that conscious, turn it to some real war crimes, like in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gVoaDFmbCYS-Usz9ACDRIengj21QD95UQB180&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sri Lanka&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSLP47145620090126&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Congo&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King&#039;s Bard &#8211; no, unless you take it out of context. I wasn&#039;t saying they were &#034;just&#034; following orders. By definition, soldiers follow orders in any army; that&#039;s why if the orders were to kill civilians, that would make super headlines, also in Israel. So these were NOT the orders, and then you can go on reading from there. So these are nice quotes, Sean, but quite irrelevant. If you knew any Israelis, you would know that they are the most self-opinioned people, and the last thing they&#039;ll do is blindly follow orders. This does not come to deny that people were killed, so spare me that line.</p>
<p>I wonder what are the chances for such reports to be read by you guys:<br />
<a href="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090126/world/mideast_conflict_gaza_eu_aid3rdlead" rel="nofollow">Hamas has &#039;overwhelming responsibility&#039; for Gaza war: EU</a></p>
<p>If you&#039;re really looking for war crimes, just wait for investigations to clear up, I&#039;m sure HRW will conduct theirs, and hopefully there will be <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3661940,00.html" rel="nofollow">more concrete data</a> later on. In the meantime, save your energy, or if you&#039;re really that conscious, turn it to some real war crimes, like in <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gVoaDFmbCYS-Usz9ACDRIengj21QD95UQB180" rel="nofollow">Sri Lanka</a> or <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSLP47145620090126" rel="nofollow">Congo</a>.</p>
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