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	<title>Comments on: Bishop Magee &#8212; Where Do You Go To My Lovely?</title>
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		<title>By: Mr Magoo</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/bishop-magee-where-do-you-go-to-my-lovely/comment-page-1/#comment-68140</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Magoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last......

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0307/cloyne.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: irishbloke</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/bishop-magee-where-do-you-go-to-my-lovely/comment-page-1/#comment-65503</link>
		<dc:creator>irishbloke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah totaly agree with Bock, the attitude of the church over the years has been;
church&gt;victims of abuse

and it seems that nothing has changed sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah totaly agree with Bock, the attitude of the church over the years has been;<br />
church&gt;victims of abuse</p>
<p>and it seems that nothing has changed sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no hysteria.  Magee failed to protect children from rape by priests.  He&#039;s a disgrace.

Have you no shame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no hysteria.  Magee failed to protect children from rape by priests.  He&#039;s a disgrace.</p>
<p>Have you no shame?</p>
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		<title>By: Kilbarry1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilbarry1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote earlier:
&quot;Barry Andrews said that Bishop Magee failed to adhere to Church or State Guidelines in two cases where he did not notify the HSE of abuse allegations. As far as I can see, both of these are cases where the Bishop reported the claims to the Gardai but not to HSE as he assumed that the Gardai would do so.

Is this what all the hysteria is about?&quot;

According to the Sunday Business Post today, that is PRECISELY what the hysteria is about.
See article &quot;Crisis Deepens for the Catholic Church&quot;
http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=38738-qqqx=1.asp

&quot;The decision last week by Minister for Children Barry Andrews to ask an inquiry team to examine the handling of clerical abuse complaints in the Cork diocese of Cloyne followed the revelation that the diocese had failed to report clerical abuse allegations to the HSE.

Bishop John Magee told gardaÃ­ in December 2005 about a complaint of abuse dating back to the early 1980s against a priest dubbed â€˜Fr Wâ€™. He breached agreed childcare guidelines established after the 2005 Ferns Inquiry by failing separately to tell the HSE about the case.

Magee told a team of HSE auditors that he made a genuine mistake. The long-awaited HSE audit into the handling of complaints made in each of the countryâ€™s Catholic dioceses, published last Tuesday, showed there were four allegations of abuse against clerics in Cloyne diocese which Magee had also not told the HSE about.

In each of these cases, Magee informed gardaÃ­ about the allegation. He did not conceal the information from the state authorities. In each case, the Director of Public Prosecutions examined files relating to the complaints.

The bishop told the HSEâ€™s audit team last November that his mistake was a simple one. He said that he believed that, once he had informed the gardaÃ­ about the alleged abuse, they would pass the information onto the HSE.&quot;

The article goes on to say that the Gardai failed to inform the HSE. The HSE decided that in spite of this breakdown of communication the Diocese of Cloyne had done enough and did NOT require further investigation. The Sunday Business Post also states that Minister Barry Andrews had commented that it was &quot;A POLITICAL DECISION&quot; to require a further investigation and that this comment &quot;MAY BE READ IN SEVERAL WAYS&quot;.

One of the ways it may be read is as a Reaction to Public Hysteria that has been deliberately whipped up by the media!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote earlier:<br />
&#034;Barry Andrews said that Bishop Magee failed to adhere to Church or State Guidelines in two cases where he did not notify the HSE of abuse allegations. As far as I can see, both of these are cases where the Bishop reported the claims to the Gardai but not to HSE as he assumed that the Gardai would do so.</p>
<p>Is this what all the hysteria is about?&#034;</p>
<p>According to the Sunday Business Post today, that is PRECISELY what the hysteria is about.<br />
See article &#034;Crisis Deepens for the Catholic Church&#034;<br />
<a href="http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=38738-qqqx=1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=38738-qqqx=1.asp</a></p>
<p>&#034;The decision last week by Minister for Children Barry Andrews to ask an inquiry team to examine the handling of clerical abuse complaints in the Cork diocese of Cloyne followed the revelation that the diocese had failed to report clerical abuse allegations to the HSE.</p>
<p>Bishop John Magee told gardaÃ­ in December 2005 about a complaint of abuse dating back to the early 1980s against a priest dubbed â€˜Fr Wâ€™. He breached agreed childcare guidelines established after the 2005 Ferns Inquiry by failing separately to tell the HSE about the case.</p>
<p>Magee told a team of HSE auditors that he made a genuine mistake. The long-awaited HSE audit into the handling of complaints made in each of the countryâ€™s Catholic dioceses, published last Tuesday, showed there were four allegations of abuse against clerics in Cloyne diocese which Magee had also not told the HSE about.</p>
<p>In each of these cases, Magee informed gardaÃ­ about the allegation. He did not conceal the information from the state authorities. In each case, the Director of Public Prosecutions examined files relating to the complaints.</p>
<p>The bishop told the HSEâ€™s audit team last November that his mistake was a simple one. He said that he believed that, once he had informed the gardaÃ­ about the alleged abuse, they would pass the information onto the HSE.&#034;</p>
<p>The article goes on to say that the Gardai failed to inform the HSE. The HSE decided that in spite of this breakdown of communication the Diocese of Cloyne had done enough and did NOT require further investigation. The Sunday Business Post also states that Minister Barry Andrews had commented that it was &#034;A POLITICAL DECISION&#034; to require a further investigation and that this comment &#034;MAY BE READ IN SEVERAL WAYS&#034;.</p>
<p>One of the ways it may be read is as a Reaction to Public Hysteria that has been deliberately whipped up by the media!!</p>
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		<title>By: irishbloke</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishbloke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its disgusting that in this day and age the attitude that was around when abuse was all over the place is still alive and well. 

Resign you pathetic man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its disgusting that in this day and age the attitude that was around when abuse was all over the place is still alive and well. </p>
<p>Resign you pathetic man</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/bishop-magee-where-do-you-go-to-my-lovely/comment-page-1/#comment-65400</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kilbarry1 --  Well, you skulked away from the questions last time I wrote about this but I see you&#039;ve slithered back.  You didn&#039;t answer the last question I asked you so I&#039;ll put it to you again: have you no shame?

That&#039;s the end of my reply to kilbarry1.

Now, to everyone else, I need to explain something.  Kilbarry1 is a former cleric who seeks to distort the reality of this story and the only reason I give him space is because his comments reveal the deeply disturbed attitudes at the heart of the Catholic clergy, but I still need to clarify certain things.  

The investigation was not about whether the priests abused people or not.  It makes no difference if they are guilty or nort.  The investigation was about how Magee responded to complaints, and we know that Magee failed in every way to take those complaints seriously.

Magee insisted on providing the police with the minimal amount of information, and he threatened his own church;&#039;s investigation with legal action for exposing his failure.

Kilbarry1 is somebody who would rather see children raped than have his bosses exposed for the cynics they are.  His reasons are his own problem, and though I feel sorry for him on a certain level, I can&#039;t help him to overcome his demons.

Perhaps a lifetime of defending abusers has damaged him.  I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kilbarry1 &#8212;  Well, you skulked away from the questions last time I wrote about this but I see you&#039;ve slithered back.  You didn&#039;t answer the last question I asked you so I&#039;ll put it to you again: have you no shame?</p>
<p>That&#039;s the end of my reply to kilbarry1.</p>
<p>Now, to everyone else, I need to explain something.  Kilbarry1 is a former cleric who seeks to distort the reality of this story and the only reason I give him space is because his comments reveal the deeply disturbed attitudes at the heart of the Catholic clergy, but I still need to clarify certain things.  </p>
<p>The investigation was not about whether the priests abused people or not.  It makes no difference if they are guilty or nort.  The investigation was about how Magee responded to complaints, and we know that Magee failed in every way to take those complaints seriously.</p>
<p>Magee insisted on providing the police with the minimal amount of information, and he threatened his own church;&#039;s investigation with legal action for exposing his failure.</p>
<p>Kilbarry1 is somebody who would rather see children raped than have his bosses exposed for the cynics they are.  His reasons are his own problem, and though I feel sorry for him on a certain level, I can&#039;t help him to overcome his demons.</p>
<p>Perhaps a lifetime of defending abusers has damaged him.  I don&#039;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilbarry1</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/bishop-magee-where-do-you-go-to-my-lovely/comment-page-1/#comment-65398</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilbarry1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to 3 or 4  news bulletins on RTE Radio yesterday regarding the HSE Report on Cloyne. None mentioned that the HSE did not propose to refer ANY diocese to the abuse commission for further investigation. Does RTE really consider that fact to be irrelevant? 

Previously the media had covered up the fact that the DPP declined to take any action against the two accused priests. (This was mentioned in one article in the Irish Examiner on 20 December and ignored afterwards). 

Minister for Children Barry Andrews over-ruled the HSE  and decided that the Cloyne Diocese should be subject to a new investigation anyway. In one way I don&#039;t object because people would scream &quot;Cover up&quot; if it wasn&#039;t done. However the Government are reacting to media-generated hysteria. How many people are aware that the Gardai have stated that there are NO current investigations in progress re claims of clerical child abuse in Cloyne?

Barry Andrews said that Bishop Magee failed to adhere to Church or State Guidelines in two cases where he did not notify the HSE of abuse allegations. As far as I can see, both of these are cases where the Bishop reported the claims to the Gardai but not to HSE as he assumed that the Gardai would do so. 

Is this what all the hysteria is about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to 3 or 4  news bulletins on RTE Radio yesterday regarding the HSE Report on Cloyne. None mentioned that the HSE did not propose to refer ANY diocese to the abuse commission for further investigation. Does RTE really consider that fact to be irrelevant? </p>
<p>Previously the media had covered up the fact that the DPP declined to take any action against the two accused priests. (This was mentioned in one article in the Irish Examiner on 20 December and ignored afterwards). </p>
<p>Minister for Children Barry Andrews over-ruled the HSE  and decided that the Cloyne Diocese should be subject to a new investigation anyway. In one way I don&#039;t object because people would scream &#034;Cover up&#034; if it wasn&#039;t done. However the Government are reacting to media-generated hysteria. How many people are aware that the Gardai have stated that there are NO current investigations in progress re claims of clerical child abuse in Cloyne?</p>
<p>Barry Andrews said that Bishop Magee failed to adhere to Church or State Guidelines in two cases where he did not notify the HSE of abuse allegations. As far as I can see, both of these are cases where the Bishop reported the claims to the Gardai but not to HSE as he assumed that the Gardai would do so. </p>
<p>Is this what all the hysteria is about?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if he remembers his memoirs...then he&#039;ll surely be found guilty by admitting it to himself first...what he couldn&#039;t admit to us in the first place. As his memory like every other one in power in this country goes walkies, when it should have gone â€œTalkiesâ€ with the â€œTruthâ€!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if he remembers his memoirs&#8230;then he&#039;ll surely be found guilty by admitting it to himself first&#8230;what he couldn&#039;t admit to us in the first place. As his memory like every other one in power in this country goes walkies, when it should have gone â€œTalkiesâ€ with the â€œTruthâ€!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t he fired ??
Because like Bertie .......he might decide to write his Memoirs ........That  I am sure that would make a lot of people nervous in the Vatican</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#039;t he fired ??<br />
Because like Bertie &#8230;&#8230;.he might decide to write his Memoirs &#8230;&#8230;..That  I am sure that would make a lot of people nervous in the Vatican</p>
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		<title>By: paddyanglican</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddyanglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t help thinking that Magee has some information (perhaps re murder of JP1) that gives him the security to ride out the storm - but regardless he is a bloody disgrace and I hope the Minister has the balls to remove his patronage of the national schools in his diocese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can&#039;t help thinking that Magee has some information (perhaps re murder of JP1) that gives him the security to ride out the storm &#8211; but regardless he is a bloody disgrace and I hope the Minister has the balls to remove his patronage of the national schools in his diocese.</p>
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