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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-94626</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, there are many threads on Bock relating to all sorts of religious lunacy if you want to continue that line of discussion.

I&#039;d like to keep this one about Auschwitz and related matters if you wouldn&#039;t mind.  

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, there are many threads on Bock relating to all sorts of religious lunacy if you want to continue that line of discussion.</p>
<p>I&#039;d like to keep this one about Auschwitz and related matters if you wouldn&#039;t mind.  </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: frantheman</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-94544</link>
		<dc:creator>frantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Seconds Out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Prayer_for_the_Jews#2008_prayer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Seconds Out: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Prayer_for_the_Jews#2008_prayer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Prayer_for_the_Jews#2008_prayer</a></p>
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		<title>By: FME</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-94542</link>
		<dc:creator>FME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like they address all other issues Seconds?  Deny, deny, minimize, deny. 
Anyways, The bishop of Rome.. - The pope, is obviously aware of the issue if he&#039;s the one who wants it reintroduced.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like they address all other issues Seconds?  Deny, deny, minimize, deny.<br />
Anyways, The bishop of Rome.. &#8211; The pope, is obviously aware of the issue if he&#039;s the one who wants it reintroduced.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Seconds Out</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-94541</link>
		<dc:creator>Seconds Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FME The Bishop of Rome is pushing for the re-introduction of the Tridentne Mass (Latin) which was aboloshed by the second Vatican Counsel in the early 60s in favour of the vernacular Mass. The Latin Mass does contain that Good Friday prayer for the conversion of the Jews. Rome said that  they were aware of this and would address this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FME The Bishop of Rome is pushing for the re-introduction of the Tridentne Mass (Latin) which was aboloshed by the second Vatican Counsel in the early 60s in favour of the vernacular Mass. The Latin Mass does contain that Good Friday prayer for the conversion of the Jews. Rome said that  they were aware of this and would address this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: FME</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-94539</link>
		<dc:creator>FME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frantheman..  &quot;The present pope reinstituted the prayer for the conversion of the Jews in the Roman Catholic Good Friday liturgy in 2008 – and made it compulsory: “That our God and Lord may illuminate their hearts, that they acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men…”, which had been dropped after Vatican II.&quot; 
 I didn&#039;t know that.   Ratzi is a stupid bigot really.  I can&#039;t stand his arrogance. 
&quot;Not a particularly hopeful sign.&quot;  - Hopefully he&#039;ll kick the bucket sooner rather than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frantheman..  &#034;The present pope reinstituted the prayer for the conversion of the Jews in the Roman Catholic Good Friday liturgy in 2008 – and made it compulsory: “That our God and Lord may illuminate their hearts, that they acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men…”, which had been dropped after Vatican II.&#034;<br />
 I didn&#039;t know that.   Ratzi is a stupid bigot really.  I can&#039;t stand his arrogance.<br />
&#034;Not a particularly hopeful sign.&#034;  &#8211; Hopefully he&#039;ll kick the bucket sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: lapsedmethodist</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-94531</link>
		<dc:creator>lapsedmethodist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frantheman - the German psyche was well-formed in 1872 - well into the  Franco - Prussian War - when Mrs Bismark wrote to Mr Bismark - &quot; I think all the French should be killed; even their little babies. &quot;  I await Number Four with bated breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frantheman &#8211; the German psyche was well-formed in 1872 &#8211; well into the  Franco &#8211; Prussian War &#8211; when Mrs Bismark wrote to Mr Bismark &#8211; &#034; I think all the French should be killed; even their little babies. &#034;  I await Number Four with bated breath.</p>
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		<title>By: frantheman</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-94526</link>
		<dc:creator>frantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for calling attention to this on facebook, Bock, I hadn&#039;t yet discovered your blog the first time you posted this.

It&#039;s twenty-six years now, since I visited Auschwitz. Like another poster here, it was the glass display-box with the childrens&#039; shoes that finally made me start to cry. Even now, just remembering it, I feel the tears near again.

Although there have been other genocides before and since - Rwanda comes to mind as an example where the so-called civilized world stood by and just let it happen - the Shoah is unparalleled by the sheer cold-blooded, bureaucratic, systematic brutality with which it was carried out.

I&#039;ve lived in Germany for over twenty years now. Apart from the lunatic fringe on the right, it does generally remain as a sad defining component of the modern German psyche. There are still issues arising from it being worked through here - as will probably be the case for every generation. Hard questions, some of them, like the boundary between ideas like guilt (which is, for modern Germans, most of whom weren&#039;t even alive or only children then, inappropriate) and responsibility (which remains), which have to be continually renewed. As the question as to how much the Shoah, as the work of mad Nazi anti-Semitism, is the expression of a deeper, murky current in &quot;Western,&quot; (in some sense) &quot;Christian&quot; culture also remains. 
The present pope reinstituted the prayer for the conversion of the Jews in the Roman Catholic Good Friday liturgy in 2008 - and made it compulsory: &quot;That our God and Lord may illuminate their hearts, that they acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men...&quot;, which had been dropped after Vatican II. Not a particularly hopeful sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for calling attention to this on facebook, Bock, I hadn&#039;t yet discovered your blog the first time you posted this.</p>
<p>It&#039;s twenty-six years now, since I visited Auschwitz. Like another poster here, it was the glass display-box with the childrens&#039; shoes that finally made me start to cry. Even now, just remembering it, I feel the tears near again.</p>
<p>Although there have been other genocides before and since &#8211; Rwanda comes to mind as an example where the so-called civilized world stood by and just let it happen &#8211; the Shoah is unparalleled by the sheer cold-blooded, bureaucratic, systematic brutality with which it was carried out.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve lived in Germany for over twenty years now. Apart from the lunatic fringe on the right, it does generally remain as a sad defining component of the modern German psyche. There are still issues arising from it being worked through here &#8211; as will probably be the case for every generation. Hard questions, some of them, like the boundary between ideas like guilt (which is, for modern Germans, most of whom weren&#039;t even alive or only children then, inappropriate) and responsibility (which remains), which have to be continually renewed. As the question as to how much the Shoah, as the work of mad Nazi anti-Semitism, is the expression of a deeper, murky current in &#034;Western,&#034; (in some sense) &#034;Christian&#034; culture also remains.<br />
The present pope reinstituted the prayer for the conversion of the Jews in the Roman Catholic Good Friday liturgy in 2008 &#8211; and made it compulsory: &#034;That our God and Lord may illuminate their hearts, that they acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men&#8230;&#034;, which had been dropped after Vatican II. Not a particularly hopeful sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-77994</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All citizens of a civilised world should also google THE EVIAN CONFERENCE (1938) where the world (having seen, in Austria, the start of the Jewish persecution by the Nazis) refused to welcome Jewish immigrants to their countries. Hitler gloated...It gave him a green light to push his extermination program to a higher degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All citizens of a civilised world should also google THE EVIAN CONFERENCE (1938) where the world (having seen, in Austria, the start of the Jewish persecution by the Nazis) refused to welcome Jewish immigrants to their countries. Hitler gloated&#8230;It gave him a green light to push his extermination program to a higher degree.</p>
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		<title>By: thesystemworks</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-77988</link>
		<dc:creator>thesystemworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: &#039;I think all citizens of a civilized world should visit this site.&#039;

It was a supposedly civilised Europe that committed this crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: &#039;I think all citizens of a civilized world should visit this site.&#039;</p>
<p>It was a supposedly civilised Europe that committed this crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Enda</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2008/12/auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-73806</link>
		<dc:creator>Enda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this some time ago and was left numb - it&#039;s brilliantly pieced together.  This may or may not sound wrong, but since having kids, I find it even more impossible to comprehend the scale of this and to picture it happening to innocent young children.

It&#039;s appropriate that this piece comes to the fore again in light of the Ryan Commissions report - the fact there are even any comparisons speak volumes for what has come to light in such explicit terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this some time ago and was left numb &#8211; it&#039;s brilliantly pieced together.  This may or may not sound wrong, but since having kids, I find it even more impossible to comprehend the scale of this and to picture it happening to innocent young children.</p>
<p>It&#039;s appropriate that this piece comes to the fore again in light of the Ryan Commissions report &#8211; the fact there are even any comparisons speak volumes for what has come to light in such explicit terms.</p>
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