Comments on: Vegans, Jehovah Witnesses, Transubstantiation and Other Lunatic beliefs

By: badgerdaddy

badgerdaddy — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:34:56 +0000

I remember a girlfriend of mine and her mate, when I was at college and tucking into some kind of lamb-based food, coming and making sheep noises at me. They followed it up by saying: "Could you kill that animal yourself?"

I said, "A lamb? It wouldn't stand a fucking chance. Now fuck off and stop asking me stupid questions."

BTW, your vegan chap there… Got to love that kind of self confidence.

By: Bock

Bock — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:52:05 +0000

Mike

What does ppl mean? That isn't a word as far as I know. Neither is b/c. Nor lol.

If you'd care to write to me in English, I might have some regard for you.

Oh wait. Hold on. You're a vegan and a Jehovah Witness?

On second thoughts, I retract that offer. You're bonkers.

By: Mike

Mike — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:48:01 +0000

Wow, get a grip man.

You seem like one of those ppl who are just cynical to the bone. Seems like you have nothing better to do than think up ridiculous crap that means little to you and others. Find a better hobby and get real.

By the way, I'm both vegan and a Witness to Jehovah and i must say that if you EVER met me, you would change your idea of both Jehovah's Witnesses and vegans. Yet I hope you never do meet me. B/c you would most likely insult me or ignore me/what I say no matter how chill, and welcoming I may be.

That said, have fun clogging your arteries with your Meatabix. And take care. (yes, I did just wish you bad and good…lol)

By: Dell Boy

Dell Boy — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:52:07 +0000

Dan, the state and other organisations put these children into care, left them there, ignored reports and evidence of wrong doing (much like Church superiors did) and continued this practice for decades. The abusers do of course carry all the blame for the abuse. However the Church and other bodies carry as much blame for creating the enviornment in which these abusers could operate. I would like to beleive that all groups involved in this have looked at their operations/ their procedures for handling and caring for the most vunerable and have put procedures in place to prevent this from happening again. However maybe its just the cynic in me that feels that the state run bodies and support agencies have been largely unaffected by this scandal.

By: Dan Sullivan

Dan Sullivan — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:17:28 +0000

Dell boy, "Nobody can deny that the Chuch does hold a significant blame for the abuse suffered. …At the same point, the state, the police and others are as culpable." you contradict your first comment with the latter one. The state, and broader Irish society might not be completely blameless in what happened in these institutions, however they are far from being 'just as cupable'. Until such time as the Church owns up to its responsibility in this area including the sheltering and aiding and abetting these criminals I don't see why wider society has to kowtow to them.

By: Dell Boy

Dell Boy — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:17:40 +0000

Nobody can deny that the Chuch does hold a significant blame for the abuse suffered. This comment is not an excuse for what happened or an apology for the wrong inflicted by the Church on a helpless group. At the same point, the state, the police and others are as culpable. Similarly we should not forget the education (and i mean the good education) given to this country by many good nuns, priests and Christian Brothers. Most of us went to school during a period of no prosperity in Ireland and received our education from a religious affiliated school which did not have holes in the roof, rats in the corner or require our parents to fork out tons of cash for free education. Organised religion in some ways is not so bad. (love thy neighbour, do good, don't kill) are some basic guidelines that if everyone in Limerick lived by we wouldn't be in the shite we are in. I'm not trying to convert anyone here and not saying follow everyhting to the letter. Extremist views on both sides are just that, extremist. Much like the abuse scandal, there were people in the church that were pure evil and also those than were far from it. We see that everyday in society so why are we shocked and surprised that we have seen the contrast in the Church also. Like the rest of us they are after all, only human. Just a thought.

By: Bock

Bock — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:55:56 +0000

le craic: If you hire somebody to look after children and they rape them instead, it's their fault.

What part of that is hard to understand?

By: Dan Sullivan

Dan Sullivan — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:46:06 +0000

lecraic, the church actively sought to prevent the state developing a social care model that would have allowed for non-religious run care facilities. That is a matter of public record, in doing so they ensured their facilities were the only ones around into which civil society could place the children.

The religious orders prevented and obstructed state investigations of these facilities down the years. They fostered the culture of evasive and silence that allowed those who committed such acts to go on and on.

By: Shannaboley

Shannaboley — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:06:05 +0000

These rapists and violent horrible individuals were given protection by the religious institutions and the state that placed the children there.The priest nuns and brothers did not see themselves as individuals why should we! they were the church.

By: le craic

le craic — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:10:17 +0000

Well then the logic comes back to who employed the religious institutions to look after the children. And who should bear the brunt of the cost for failing these children in the first place. This is where we differ. I have no problem in my tax money being paid as compensation to those affected and would rather it the way it is, than have the church and state battle for years over the raped and tortured minds and bodies of innocent people. Time to move on Bock.