Comments on: Wayne O Donoghue Gets Out of Jail http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:35:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-56159 Bock Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:32:57 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-56159 I can't help with your hazy memory, I'm afraid. On the questions you raise, I think I've addressed them in another post, but I'll say this much: what police suspect is not relevant. Police have a tendency to suspect all sorts of things, as the Donegal investigation teaches us. The DNA evidence was more than inconclusive. It was thoroughly unreliable. I can't help with your hazy memory, I'm afraid.

On the questions you raise, I think I've addressed them in another post, but I'll say this much: what police suspect is not relevant. Police have a tendency to suspect all sorts of things, as the Donegal investigation teaches us.

The DNA evidence was more than inconclusive. It was thoroughly unreliable.

]]> By: Curious George http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-56149 Curious George Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:16:48 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-56149 Hi Bock, In relation to the Wayne O'Donoghue trial - you have stated in one of your posts that "there were several perfectly innocent explanations for the presence of semen." I am curious, my memory is a bit hazy, what 'explanations' are you referring to? Also, in what building was the semen found? and in what room was the semen found? and does the setting and 'innocent explanations' of this semen outweigh the SPECULATION that there was more to the death of Robert Holohan then what was outlined in O'Donoghue's testimony. If memory serves me correctly, D.N.A. evidence in relation to the semen was not considered 100% conclusive by a specialist and thats why it was not presented in court. Do you think this legal hurdle totally demolishes the relevance of Gardai SUSPECTING that there was something up in this area of the case. Trashy tabloid articles which demonised the case aside, Do you think journalists have a right to highlight such relevance? also, I don't think journalists could not even mention the semen factor during the actual trial for reasons of Libel and because it contravenes the freedom of information act, in so far that they cannot highlight sensitive information if it pertains to an ongoing trial. This act assumes that during the course of a trial ALL facts will be considered and adjudicated on in accordance with the 'fairness' of the law of the land and its procedures, and that the impetus of media speculation should be treated as irrelevant because of that. Yet the presence of the semen was not highlighted, because it didn't apply thoroughly with the legal requirements of submission as evidence. So is their not a justified frustration here for certain journalists and Gardai who were speculative about aspects of the case/trial. Also I'm just wondering, the fact that O'Donoghue has been tried for manslaughter and served his sentance, does that mean that no other legal action can be taken in relation to the case, if for example, someone decided that there were grounds to convict Mr. O'donghue of murder instead of manslaughter, or is the whole case absolutely 'done and dusted' now? just a few questions. I don't wish to attack anybodies integrity/point of view on the subject, I don't wish to pick a fight, i'm just curious. Hi Bock,
In relation to the Wayne O'Donoghue trial -

you have stated in one of your posts that

"there were several perfectly innocent explanations for the presence of semen."

I am curious, my memory is a bit hazy, what 'explanations' are you referring to? Also, in what building was the semen found? and in what room was the semen found? and does the setting and 'innocent explanations' of this semen outweigh the SPECULATION that there was more to the death of Robert Holohan then what was outlined in O'Donoghue's testimony.

If memory serves me correctly, D.N.A. evidence in relation to the semen was not considered 100% conclusive by a specialist and thats why it was not presented in court. Do you think this legal hurdle totally demolishes the relevance of Gardai SUSPECTING that there was something up in this area of the case.

Trashy tabloid articles which demonised the case aside, Do you think journalists have a right to highlight such relevance?

also, I don't think journalists could not even mention the semen factor during the actual trial for reasons of Libel and because it contravenes the freedom of information act, in so far that they cannot highlight sensitive information if it pertains to an ongoing trial. This act assumes that during the course of a trial ALL facts will be considered and adjudicated on in accordance with the 'fairness' of the law of the land and its procedures, and that the impetus of media speculation should be treated as irrelevant because of that. Yet the presence of the semen was not highlighted, because it didn't apply thoroughly with the legal requirements of submission as evidence. So is their not a justified frustration here for certain journalists and Gardai who were speculative about aspects of the case/trial.

Also I'm just wondering, the fact that O'Donoghue has been tried for manslaughter and served his sentance, does that mean that no other legal action can be taken in relation to the case, if for example, someone decided that there were grounds to convict Mr. O'donghue of murder instead of manslaughter, or is the whole case absolutely 'done and dusted' now?

just a few questions. I don't wish to attack anybodies integrity/point of view on the subject, I don't wish to pick a fight, i'm just curious.

]]> By: Bock the Robber http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-15490 Bock the Robber Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:33:42 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-15490 No. I suppose dey rnt. No. I suppose dey rnt.

]]> By: Dublin http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-15481 Dublin Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:27:22 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-15481 Wayne has paid for his crime.just let him get on with his life im sure he is guilt ridden with what has happened but stupid arguments like yous arent gonna bring robert back r dey!!!!grow up Wayne has paid for his crime.just let him get on with his life im sure he is guilt ridden with what has happened but stupid arguments like yous arent gonna bring robert back r dey!!!!grow up

]]> By: cork gent http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-12255 cork gent Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:19:52 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-12255 But who am I to judge. My thoughts and prayers are for both familys. I wouldnt like to go through what they have,either of them. And if Wayne makes money from these liable actions against the press. I think it would be a nice gesture to give the money to a childrens charity But who am I to judge. My thoughts and prayers are for both familys. I wouldnt like to go through what they have,either of them. And if Wayne makes money from these liable actions against the press. I think it would be a nice gesture to give the money to a childrens charity

]]> By: cork gent http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-12253 cork gent Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:13:08 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-12253 Lets put a statue up for Wayne in Middleton for the murder of young Robert.What a legend!!This is what I expect to see in the newpapers soon. I think if you receive a head lock or give one in your 20 years on this earth you surely have a vague idea as to how to frighten a young lad or to injure him.There would be a total different grasp id have anyway. We could all go around in the morning and do such a thing. I can forgive him in this case possibly. But how he helped with the search was disgusting for such a "close friend of Robert". We all make mistakes I certainly do everyday. But 4 years is at least a fifth of the sentence of what I feel he should have received. Lets put a statue up for Wayne in Middleton for the murder of young Robert.What a legend!!This is what I expect to see in the newpapers soon. I think if you receive a head lock or give one in your 20 years on this earth you surely have a vague idea as to how to frighten a young lad or to injure him.There would be a total different grasp id have anyway. We could all go around in the morning and do such a thing. I can forgive him in this case possibly. But how he helped with the search was disgusting for such a "close friend of Robert". We all make mistakes I certainly do everyday. But 4 years is at least a fifth of the sentence of what I feel he should have received.

]]> By: Cobhwoman http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-11810 Cobhwoman Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:28:17 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-11810 I agree with Nirokel mostly there. I don't honestly think it would help the Holohans much to keep punishing him, it won't bring the child back. I did feel that the sentence was somewhat lenient given the fact of the death of a child, however the sentence has been passed down, appealed unsuccessfully and duly served. There is nothing more in practical terms to be done there. Further, it's pointless to blame Wayne for the leniency of the sentence, that was one area where he had no say or input at all. No matter what he said or did now, he can't do right for doing wrong. We might as well let him get on with it. I agree with Nirokel mostly there. I don't honestly think it would help the Holohans much to keep punishing him, it won't bring the child back. I did feel that the sentence was somewhat lenient given the fact of the death of a child, however the sentence has been passed down, appealed unsuccessfully and duly served. There is nothing more in practical terms to be done there. Further, it's pointless to blame Wayne for the leniency of the sentence, that was one area where he had no say or input at all.

No matter what he said or did now, he can't do right for doing wrong. We might as well let him get on with it.

]]> By: Nirokel http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-11808 Nirokel Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:47:50 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-11808 Having read the comments on this page, in particular the verbal spat between local common sense and bock, I would have to strongly disagree with local common sense. You, as a local, are emotionally charged by the case. As much as it is painful to see two families going through such turmoil over the last few years, the judicial process is over for now and I think its in the interests of the families that they can be allowed get on with their lives in peace. The attitude of wanting to punish wayne o donoghue to the highest is counter productive to all concerned. If I was a member of either family I would rather everything be laid to rest. He has served his time, however unhappy some may feel about it, and thats end of story. Having read the comments on this page, in particular the verbal spat between local common sense and bock, I would have to strongly disagree with local common sense. You, as a local, are emotionally charged by the case. As much as it is painful to see two families going through such turmoil over the last few years, the judicial process is over for now and I think its in the interests of the families that they can be allowed get on with their lives in peace. The attitude of wanting to punish wayne o donoghue to the highest is counter productive to all concerned. If I was a member of either family I would rather everything be laid to rest. He has served his time, however unhappy some may feel about it, and thats end of story.

]]> By: Cobhwoman http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-11807 Cobhwoman Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:47:01 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-11807 I don't blame Mark Holohan for not extending the hand of forgiveness to Wayne, it would be a lot to expect of any bereaved parent, I know I certainly couldn't do it if something like that happened to my beloved son. But what I find disturbing in Mr Holohan's quote to the Echo is the fact that he seems to want everyone to carry the same degree of anger and bitterness that he has himself. His feelings are entirely normal but I don't feel that it's reasonable to expect the rest of society to feel that way in this particular situation. If Wayne had acted deliberately and in a predatory fashion then society would be foolish not to be wary of him but it's been well established that he didn't. I reiterate what I said before, I hope Mr & Mrs Holohan, (God love them) don't go making a media circus out of this because public sympathy for them will melt away rapidly. God help us all, but this is a situation with absolutely no winners at all. I don't blame Mark Holohan for not extending the hand of forgiveness to Wayne, it would be a lot to expect of any bereaved parent, I know I certainly couldn't do it if something like that happened to my beloved son. But what I find disturbing in Mr Holohan's quote to the Echo is the fact that he seems to want everyone to carry the same degree of anger and bitterness that he has himself. His feelings are entirely normal but I don't feel that it's reasonable to expect the rest of society to feel that way in this particular situation. If Wayne had acted deliberately and in a predatory fashion then society would be foolish not to be wary of him but it's been well established that he didn't. I reiterate what I said before, I hope Mr & Mrs Holohan, (God love them) don't go making a media circus out of this because public sympathy for them will melt away rapidly. God help us all, but this is a situation with absolutely no winners at all.

]]> By: local common sense http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-11784 local common sense Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:41:52 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/01/wayne-o-donoghue-gets-out-of-jail#comment-11784 the fact is Mark houlohan said this in a report with the evening echo yesterday. so they certainly feel this because he wont accept waynes apology. I dont think i could either. i am surprised to see you bringing adhd into the debate again. i have experience with my own nephew who also has it and he lives a perfectly normal life because of that. Robert was also on this medication and from what i know of him he had a very active life including horseriding which demands discipline of the rider. So adhd needs no horse play to deal or training to deal with a child with this problem. sorry i called it a problem as its not its a condition. the fact is Mark houlohan said this in a report with the evening echo yesterday. so they certainly feel this because he wont accept waynes apology. I dont think i could either. i am surprised to see you bringing adhd into the debate again. i have experience with my own nephew who also has it and he lives a perfectly normal life because of that. Robert was also on this medication and from what i know of him he had a very active life including horseriding which demands discipline of the rider. So adhd needs no horse play to deal or training to deal with a child with this problem. sorry i called it a problem as its not its a condition.

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