Comments on: Where do Irish-Americans Stand on This Sort of Thing? http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:35:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5922 Bock Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:30:34 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5922 Eliza: Oh, they're not getting to me. It would take a lot more than that, but thanks for coming in here and having your say. It's important. Eliza: Oh, they're not getting to me. It would take a lot more than that, but thanks for coming in here and having your say. It's important.

]]> By: Eliza http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5920 Eliza Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:24:43 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5920 Well, look at what I missed! Generally speaking, I think when one descends to the level of personal insult, one's argument immediately loses any validity. While it hurts me to say this, that...person did have valid points. The U.S. Government IS too big, too imperialist, and frankly we've set ourselves up for a very large fall (ala the Roman Empire). Bock - you do a wonderful job giving everyone a forum to have an open and honest discourse about global politics. Don't let the narrow minded twits of the world get to you Well, look at what I missed!

Generally speaking, I think when one descends to the level of personal insult, one's argument immediately loses any validity.

While it hurts me to say this, that…person did have valid points. The U.S. Government IS too big, too imperialist, and frankly we've set ourselves up for a very large fall (ala the Roman Empire).

Bock – you do a wonderful job giving everyone a forum to have an open and honest discourse about global politics. Don't let the narrow minded twits of the world get to you

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5910 Bock Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:20:55 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5910 CamSavWin: Thank you for commenting. If I thought everyone in the States was a cretin, I wouldn't bother posting about it. Some of the most civilised people I ever knew were American. That's the whole point of what I'm writing about here. I can't believe it's sunk to this level over there. CamSavWin: Thank you for commenting. If I thought everyone in the States was a cretin, I wouldn't bother posting about it. Some of the most civilised people I ever knew were American. That's the whole point of what I'm writing about here. I can't believe it's sunk to this level over there.

]]> By: CamSavWin http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5908 CamSavWin Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:12:48 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5908 There have been a few times in my life when I've been driven by my countrymen to hide my face in my hands, and try to make some kind of apology. Standing in the same country as someone like 'NewName' puts me in mind of trying to make explanations for the obnoxiously drunk relative at the wedding. The Bush administration's approval ratings in this country are at a record low of 32%. 68% of us over here think we've got a raw deal. Many of us regard your original post with a combination of wry humor and gut-wrenching frustration, that we allowed ourselves to get into this pickle in the first place. No matter what the political opinion of the poster, racial slurs and epithets negate the view, in my opinion. If you can't make your point without resorting to name calling, your point is completely invalid.This has always been the rule for social debate, and has never been more important to international relations than now. I am an American of Irish ancestry (3rd generation), and I can tell you that other than some good natured ribbing by friends, I've never been on the receiving end of a racial or cultural slur because of my Irish heritage, nor have I heard any casually tossed around at other cultures or races (genuine complaints about illegal immigration and call-center outsourcing I do not consider cultural slurs). We're not all cretins over here. There have been a few times in my life when I've been driven by my countrymen to hide my face in my hands, and try to make some kind of apology. Standing in the same country as someone like 'NewName' puts me in mind of trying to make explanations for the obnoxiously drunk relative at the wedding.

The Bush administration's approval ratings in this country are at a record low of 32%. 68% of us over here think we've got a raw deal. Many of us regard your original post with a combination of wry humor and gut-wrenching frustration, that we allowed ourselves to get into this pickle in the first place.

No matter what the political opinion of the poster, racial slurs and epithets negate the view, in my opinion. If you can't make your point without resorting to name calling, your point is completely invalid.This has always been the rule for social debate, and has never been more important to international relations than now.

I am an American of Irish ancestry (3rd generation), and I can tell you that other than some good natured ribbing by friends, I've never been on the receiving end of a racial or cultural slur because of my Irish heritage, nor have I heard any casually tossed around at other cultures or races (genuine complaints about illegal immigration and call-center outsourcing I do not consider cultural slurs). We're not all cretins over here.

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5810 Bock Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:37:18 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5810 Look, this guy is an example of why we need to be concerned. We're talking about a demented person here. I think as trolls go, he got quite a good run, and even though he managed to sneak in under the wire, I was probably right to delete him when I got home. We really don't need to have commenters being subjected to that kind of personalised abuse by fools. Look, this guy is an example of why we need to be concerned. We're talking about a demented person here.

I think as trolls go, he got quite a good run, and even though he managed to sneak in under the wire, I was probably right to delete him when I got home.

We really don't need to have commenters being subjected to that kind of personalised abuse by fools.

]]> By: gaye http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5807 gaye Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:55:51 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5807 Don't all Americans have some kind of heritage that they claim in a conversation, even if they are something like 3rd generation Irish, German, French, Portuguese, Italian, etc? When discussing the deep historical aspects of a culture, few hundred years mustn't sound impressive enough, out comes the "my great grandfather was ". I heard this so many times with my own ears. It's rather silly how a disagreement can so quickly (at comment one) become a "bash in any way can". Why is it so important to say the last word and make sure that it's a win for self, regardless whether sounding "like" a dickhead while doing so, or not. The way I look at it, this is Bock's place and he can say whatever the heck he wants. Commenting is one thing, disagreeing is another, even arguing with a passion is acceptable, but turning into a hurling match of personal insults, with cultural and racist slurs, is another. Ganging up on free speech is the worst thing, and should never be given credit to. It's just wrong. The mob mentality just kills me. Take a man, by himself, so gentle, kind and polite (only guessing here), put him in a group and it becomes a mob-like entity so quickly. Attack attack, don't listen, don't try to understand, don't talk. Just kill... Not good. Don't all Americans have some kind of heritage that they claim in a conversation, even if they are something like 3rd generation Irish, German, French, Portuguese, Italian, etc? When discussing the deep historical aspects of a culture, few hundred years mustn't sound impressive enough, out comes the "my great grandfather was ". I heard this so many times with my own ears.
It's rather silly how a disagreement can so quickly (at comment one) become a "bash in any way can".
Why is it so important to say the last word and make sure that it's a win for self, regardless whether sounding "like" a dickhead while doing so, or not.
The way I look at it, this is Bock's place and he can say whatever the heck he wants. Commenting is one thing, disagreeing is another, even arguing with a passion is acceptable, but turning into a hurling match of personal insults, with cultural and racist slurs, is another. Ganging up on free speech is the worst thing, and should never be given credit to. It's just wrong.
The mob mentality just kills me. Take a man, by himself, so gentle, kind and polite (only guessing here), put him in a group and it becomes a mob-like entity so quickly. Attack attack, don't listen, don't try to understand, don't talk. Just kill… Not good.

]]> By: Medbh http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5802 Medbh Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:53:14 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5802 I just got here. Wow. I haven't seen a troll that annoying and inarticulate in quite a long while. No Irish American would actually say anything like that, btw. I just got here.
Wow.
I haven't seen a troll that annoying and inarticulate in quite a long while.
No Irish American would actually say anything like that, btw.

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5794 Bock Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:07:37 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5794 Eolai: Yeah. I'm getting very tired of this troll. Time for him to go back under the bridge, I think. He's classed as spam now. Eolai: Yeah. I'm getting very tired of this troll. Time for him to go back under the bridge, I think.

He's classed as spam now.

]]> By: Eolai http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5792 Eolai Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:58:20 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5792 Nomennovum, The whole point of the question was that I had of course read the other post - indeed the question couldn't have existed if I hadn't. So what do you do? The same again - just say you don't want to provide an answer that you claim is there, and insult the questioner for not seeing the answer. But that's not enough this time - no, this time you go back and read through all the comments, until you can find in one a statement which you think might answer the question I asked. And of course it comes with more insults. But more importantly it doesn't answer the question at all. What other interpretation of Bock's words you quote is there? How about that it wasn't necessary for anybody to point out that Bush wasn't being literal? You've had your chances, more than enough, but until you come out with any argument remotely intelligent you won't be getting any further attention from me. And I'm hoping Bock ignores your repeated trolling for attention and insults. Nomennovum,

The whole point of the question was that I had of course read the other post – indeed the question couldn't have existed if I hadn't.

So what do you do? The same again – just say you don't want to provide an answer that you claim is there, and insult the questioner for not seeing the answer.

But that's not enough this time – no, this time you go back and read through all the comments, until you can find in one a statement which you think might answer the question I asked. And of course it comes with more insults. But more importantly it doesn't answer the question at all.

What other interpretation of Bock's words you quote is there? How about that it wasn't necessary for anybody to point out that Bush wasn't being literal?

You've had your chances, more than enough, but until you come out with any argument remotely intelligent you won't be getting any further attention from me. And I'm hoping Bock ignores your repeated trolling for attention and insults.

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-5791 Bock Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:56:45 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/10/where-do-irish-americans-stand-on-this-sort-of-thing#comment-5791 Eolai: I know what he's thinking. He's thinking I might have committed a thought-crime. Eolai: I know what he's thinking. He's thinking I might have committed a thought-crime.

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