Comments on: Sikhs, Turbans and the Irish Police http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:35:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: thesystemworks http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-95753 thesystemworks Sun, 02 May 2010 14:15:31 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-95753 I don't see the problem with any religious symbolism as long as the person wearing them is still recognisable as a policemen or woman. Too much agonising has gone into this subject, while I see it as an almost non-issue. I don't see the problem with any religious symbolism as long as the person wearing them is still recognisable as a policemen or woman. Too much agonising has gone into this subject, while I see it as an almost non-issue.

]]> By: John http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-95736 John Sun, 02 May 2010 02:12:32 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-95736 I would like to apologize for my error, I was unaware of that fact. Thank you Lapsedmethodist. I believe that allowing members of a certain religion wear their symbols, whatever those symbols may be is against secularism. I believe that the only way that the government can treat every religion equally is to remove all religious symbols from the public service, turbans included. I also support the removal of crosses, religious names and other symbols from all public services. I would like to apologize for my error, I was unaware of that fact. Thank you Lapsedmethodist.

I believe that allowing members of a certain religion wear their symbols, whatever those symbols may be is against secularism.

I believe that the only way that the government can treat every religion equally is to remove all religious symbols from the public service, turbans included. I also support the removal of crosses, religious names and other symbols from all public services.

]]> By: lapsedmethodist http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-95699 lapsedmethodist Sat, 01 May 2010 18:16:52 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-95699 Dear John, if you moved to the Punjab, and were not Sikh, you would not be required to wear a turban. Muslim, Christian, and Hindu members of the Indian police or security forces in the Punjab are not required to wear turbans. Yours sincerely, Lapsedmethodist. Dear John,
if you moved to the Punjab, and were not Sikh, you would not be required to wear a turban. Muslim, Christian, and Hindu members of the Indian police or security forces in the Punjab are not required to wear turbans.
Yours sincerely,
Lapsedmethodist.

]]> By: John http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-95647 John Sat, 01 May 2010 00:47:51 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-95647 As a Canadian, I would like to way in on this discussion. In some of the earlier posts, someone stated that multiculturalism works in Canada. I would like to refute that argument. As far as I am concerned, multiculturalism has failed in Canada because of the increasing separation of many different groups in our country. People in Canada don't really see themselves as "Canadian" but as Indian, Irish, French, British...etc. Getting back to the topic at hand, I don't believe that any religious symbols or emblems should be worn when serving the public, either in the military, the police, the healthcare system, or any other publicly funded institution. Sikhs that want to wear their turbans should be free to wear these coverings if they work in the private sector, on the street or anywhere else except while being paid by the government to work. If Sikhs are allowed to wear their turbans on police duty, what will be next? Christians wearing giant crosses? Muslim policewomen in full face coverings? A police or military uniform isn't just about being identified it symbolizes uniformity amongst the wearers of the uniform, turbans don't fit. I would not move to the Punjab region of India and demand that I be allowed not to wear a turban if it was part of a uniform. Common sense must prevail. When someone immigrates to a new country it is their obligation to educate themselves about the customs of their chosen country and abide by them. As a Canadian, I would like to way in on this discussion. In some of the earlier posts, someone stated that multiculturalism works in Canada. I would like to refute that argument. As far as I am concerned, multiculturalism has failed in Canada because of the increasing separation of many different groups in our country. People in Canada don't really see themselves as "Canadian" but as Indian, Irish, French, British…etc.

Getting back to the topic at hand, I don't believe that any religious symbols or emblems should be worn when serving the public, either in the military, the police, the healthcare system, or any other publicly funded institution.

Sikhs that want to wear their turbans should be free to wear these coverings if they work in the private sector, on the street or anywhere else except while being paid by the government to work. If Sikhs are allowed to wear their turbans on police duty, what will be next? Christians wearing giant crosses? Muslim policewomen in full face coverings?

A police or military uniform isn't just about being identified it symbolizes uniformity amongst the wearers of the uniform, turbans don't fit. I would not move to the Punjab region of India and demand that I be allowed not to wear a turban if it was part of a uniform. Common sense must prevail. When someone immigrates to a new country it is their obligation to educate themselves about the customs of their chosen country and abide by them.

]]> By: Desi http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-88346 Desi Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:35:17 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-88346 Turban is more about identity,,, Sikh history has seen blood shed ,innocents killed ,,children massacred in front of there mothers,,fathers made to eat there children's heart,,, people cut piece by piece ,burn , prices on their heads,,(i am talking about era of 1600 to till date,,because they fought back ,,they made their identity against the tyranny and supression ,,,for saving innocent ,,,(hindus,budhists,and others) islamic rulers invaded places,including indian subcontinent ...they would come and loot indian wealth,,,take away women ,rape them..sell them for slavery...convert them with force . sikhs united under a leader ,,,saints turned into soldiers,,,took up swords ..army was born...sikh army ,the khalsa(pure form) pure form as nature created them,,,pure as evolution made them..neat and clean,,but fierce ,hard working and kind at heart ,,with rules to live life purely ,,an identity from which they can not turn their back on righteous path ..and duty..a turban and uncut denotes the sacrifices and blood of ancestors ,the battles won .. and i just dont get what harm a turban can do to any one....get real Turban is more about identity,,,

Sikh history has seen blood shed ,innocents killed ,,children massacred in front of there mothers,,fathers made to eat there children's heart,,,
people cut piece by piece ,burn ,
prices on their heads,,(i am talking about era of 1600 to till date,,because they fought back ,,they made their identity against the tyranny and supression ,,,for saving innocent ,,,(hindus,budhists,and others)
islamic rulers invaded places,including indian subcontinent …they would come and loot indian wealth,,,take away women ,rape them..sell them for slavery…convert them with force .

sikhs united under a leader ,,,saints turned into soldiers,,,took up swords ..army was born…sikh army ,the khalsa(pure form)

pure form as nature created them,,,pure as evolution made them..neat and clean,,but fierce ,hard working and kind at heart ,,with rules to live life purely ,,an identity from which they can not turn their back on righteous path ..and duty..a turban and uncut denotes the sacrifices and blood of ancestors ,the battles won ..
and i just dont get what harm a turban can do to any one….get real

]]> By: young g http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-72143 young g Mon, 11 May 2009 04:29:36 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-72143 why is every one fighting. If your a Sikh come to Toronto canada down here Sikhs most likely own the city. I also beieve all the non Sikhs on this site should come here to because then you'll see how the Sikhs are feeling thee. Cause if your not Sikh and you live in Brampton canada your gonna have a hard life! why is every one fighting. If your a Sikh come to Toronto canada down here Sikhs most likely own the city. I also beieve all the non Sikhs on this site should come here to because then you'll see how the Sikhs are feeling thee. Cause if your not Sikh and you live in Brampton canada your gonna have a hard life!

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-68120 Bock Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:10:04 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-68120 Diluted with other races and cultures? I would regard that as enrichment, not dilution, and our inward-looking mean-spirited parochial Irish society needs as much enrichment as it can get. Just to be absolutely clear: this post is specifically about a religious emblem. It has nothing to do with races or cultures, and therefore I suspect you and I may have little enough in common. Diluted with other races and cultures?

I would regard that as enrichment, not dilution, and our inward-looking mean-spirited parochial Irish society needs as much enrichment as it can get.

Just to be absolutely clear: this post is specifically about a religious emblem. It has nothing to do with races or cultures, and therefore I suspect you and I may have little enough in common.

]]> By: DerekC http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-68118 DerekC Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:45:31 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-68118 Bock, I found the site while reading about that pervert down in west cork, I'd just like to agree with you strongly as i feel you summed it up perfectly in post. no.69. Plain and simple its a uniform, regardless of an officers beliefs, when they get up in the morning to go to work they are Gardai. Not a religious people doing their job. Maybe that's not all too clear. Uni= 1 singular=one for all. No exceptions. Religion or race aside, on the job your a Garda first and if anyone wants to be one they wear the full bloody uniform. Simple as that. Not what just suits them! If some one of a certain belief has issues with this then its simple, that job is not for you no matter how good you may be at it if you will not dress and act like every other member of the force. Having this discussion is madness in it self. Why should the gardai or us irish be the ones labelled intolerent, when clearly it is the other way around? I'm open to people of different cultures living in Ireland and making it their home but strongly believe we need to hold dear what little culture we have left and not bend over for foreigners who come here and believe/demand we must change our culture, laws and lifestyle to suit them. Its arrogant and disrespectful to a country which has it's own culture and which is open to all people, I think, as long as they don't expect us to change for them. When in Rome is a good analogue as us practising some of our customs and culture in their country would certainly NOT be tolerated. A turban is simply not a part of the Garda uniform so it should not be worn, liberal people with their blind sense of duty to bend to all others will lead us down the road of England and I certainly do not wish to see that for my beloved county. Not saying I ever liked the british after what some have done to my family members over the last 200 years but its a shame to see it get so diluted with all other races and cultures. What's left for me to hate now? Bock,
I found the site while reading about that pervert down in west cork, I'd just like to agree with you strongly as i feel you summed it up perfectly in post. no.69.
Plain and simple its a uniform, regardless of an officers beliefs, when they get up in the morning to go to work they are Gardai. Not a religious people doing their job. Maybe that's not all too clear.
Uni= 1 singular=one for all.
No exceptions. Religion or race aside, on the job your a Garda first and if anyone wants to be one they wear the full bloody uniform. Simple as that. Not what just suits them!
If some one of a certain belief has issues with this then its simple, that job is not for you no matter how good you may be at it if you will not dress and act like every other member of the force.
Having this discussion is madness in it self.
Why should the gardai or us irish be the ones labelled intolerent, when clearly it is the other way around?
I'm open to people of different cultures living in Ireland and making it their home but strongly believe we need to hold dear what little culture we have left and not bend over for foreigners who come here and believe/demand we must change our culture, laws and lifestyle to suit them. Its arrogant and disrespectful to a country which has it's own culture and which is open to all people, I think, as long as they don't expect us to change for them. When in Rome is a good analogue as us practising some of our customs and culture in their country would certainly NOT be tolerated.

A turban is simply not a part of the Garda uniform so it should not be worn, liberal people with their blind sense of duty to bend to all others will lead us down the road of England and I certainly do not wish to see that for my beloved county. Not saying I ever liked the british after what some have done to my family members over the last 200 years but its a shame to see it get so diluted with all other races and cultures.
What's left for me to hate now?

]]> By: kevin http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-62454 kevin Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:46:36 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-62454 Racist jerk Banned. kevinharami380@gmail.com Houston, Texas United States IP address 66.196.224.54 ISP Logix Communications, Inc. Racist jerk

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]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-1/#comment-57537 Bock Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:52:04 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police#comment-57537 You can wear what you want when you're out of uniform. That's your own business. Members of the garda are buried by their families, not by the police, and again it's their families' business how they bury them. It's none of my business how people are buried and I haven't expressed any views on the subject. Religious symbols have no place in a uniform that represents all of us, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Jew and those with no religion whatever. You can wear what you want when you're out of uniform. That's your own business.

Members of the garda are buried by their families, not by the police, and again it's their families' business how they bury them. It's none of my business how people are buried and I haven't expressed any views on the subject.

Religious symbols have no place in a uniform that represents all of us, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Jew and those with no religion whatever.

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