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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough , Bock .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough , Bock .</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Bock I am in favour of deporting nobody .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Bock I am in favour of deporting nobody .</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael -- When you get logical about this we can have a discussion, but for now, it&#039;s finished.  I have better things to do with my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8212; When you get logical about this we can have a discussion, but for now, it&#039;s finished.  I have better things to do with my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All three in Poland ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All three in Poland ?</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/new-political-party-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-110722</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you urged other governments to deport Irish welfare claimants?</description>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw shucks , Bock , the dogs in the street know it :-
It&#039;s just not quite&#039; PC&#039; is it . to mention it at all !

When you address such matters you must differentiate , else you&#039;ll end up paying for everybody . This &#039; Pcism&#039; is totally contradictory in that it actually differentiates people itself on national, racial, religious and cultural differences ! 
But it never adresses itself to inhuman governments responsible . 
Any Polish Government worth its salt would be happy and glad to look after ots own people , therefore it stands condemned. 
Anyway , I&#039;ll get on to the CSO myself first thing tomorrow. 

But in the meantime neither you nopr anybody else can defy the fact that there are at least two millions of Polish people spread right across Western Europe, mostly in France, the UK and Ireland . 

And all the fault of their own wealthy government and economy that does not want to know them , now or ever . 
Failure to address such problems because of PCism is not the answer .
Now I hear proposals for us to cease Overseas Aid , wonder will PCism mention that ? They won&#039;t even bring it up, much less object as I have to my TD . 
The fact is that even more are arriving here , and into the UK and France, and nobody in their right minds are travelling to Ireland for jobs! 
They are a people economically driven out of their own country by the policy of their own government . Why else did they tell me the subhuman  rates of welfare in Poland , which I checked , and found sadly to be true. 

The Polish Government is now in a better position economically than every other State in the EU except Germany !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw shucks , Bock , the dogs in the street know it :-<br />
It&#039;s just not quite&#039; PC&#039; is it . to mention it at all !</p>
<p>When you address such matters you must differentiate , else you&#039;ll end up paying for everybody . This &#039; Pcism&#039; is totally contradictory in that it actually differentiates people itself on national, racial, religious and cultural differences !<br />
But it never adresses itself to inhuman governments responsible .<br />
Any Polish Government worth its salt would be happy and glad to look after ots own people , therefore it stands condemned.<br />
Anyway , I&#039;ll get on to the CSO myself first thing tomorrow. </p>
<p>But in the meantime neither you nopr anybody else can defy the fact that there are at least two millions of Polish people spread right across Western Europe, mostly in France, the UK and Ireland . </p>
<p>And all the fault of their own wealthy government and economy that does not want to know them , now or ever .<br />
Failure to address such problems because of PCism is not the answer .<br />
Now I hear proposals for us to cease Overseas Aid , wonder will PCism mention that ? They won&#039;t even bring it up, much less object as I have to my TD .<br />
The fact is that even more are arriving here , and into the UK and France, and nobody in their right minds are travelling to Ireland for jobs!<br />
They are a people economically driven out of their own country by the policy of their own government . Why else did they tell me the subhuman  rates of welfare in Poland , which I checked , and found sadly to be true. </p>
<p>The Polish Government is now in a better position economically than every other State in the EU except Germany !</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/new-political-party-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-110720</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael -- It isn&#039;t up to me to go looking for CSO figures in support of your claims.  Until you have statistics for Polish unemployment in this country, you have no basis for discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8212; It isn&#039;t up to me to go looking for CSO figures in support of your claims.  Until you have statistics for Polish unemployment in this country, you have no basis for discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure the CSO Would have the exact figures you seek .
But even if the problem is proven by those CSO figures to be half what I project , we are still paying out a Billion Euros a year in social welfare alone that the Polish Government should be paying out , not our government , and happy and proud to pay it too if they were any kind of a reasonably concerned government at all . 
I also think that it&#039;s a scandal that Romanian people here do not qualify for some sort of decent assistance from us , as they have absolutely nothing as you can see , nor has their government  - I pay them what few Euros I can when I see them in our streets , poor people, but I can&#039;t keep it up or I&#039;ll be looking for assistance myself!
Fair is fair, I believe that these Polish governments have a lot to answer for :-) 

For now , until I get the exact present figures from our CSO , which I hope to do , we are paying out between one and two billions per year to these Polish exiles cast out by their own government to wander where they like , as they do . 
My point is that we can&#039;t keep on doing it , that either ourselves , the UK and the Danes will have to seek urgent meetings with the Polish Government , or the EU will have to do something about this , which is now assuming an epidemic of refugee proportions throughout Western Europe. 

A few Polish people I asked and talked to about this recently  told me that they&#039; hope to head for Canada next . Meanwhile their government is coining it - and a couple of them actually agreed with me about the cruel and callous nature of their own Polish Government in this regard .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure the CSO Would have the exact figures you seek .<br />
But even if the problem is proven by those CSO figures to be half what I project , we are still paying out a Billion Euros a year in social welfare alone that the Polish Government should be paying out , not our government , and happy and proud to pay it too if they were any kind of a reasonably concerned government at all .<br />
I also think that it&#039;s a scandal that Romanian people here do not qualify for some sort of decent assistance from us , as they have absolutely nothing as you can see , nor has their government  &#8211; I pay them what few Euros I can when I see them in our streets , poor people, but I can&#039;t keep it up or I&#039;ll be looking for assistance myself!<br />
Fair is fair, I believe that these Polish governments have a lot to answer for :-) </p>
<p>For now , until I get the exact present figures from our CSO , which I hope to do , we are paying out between one and two billions per year to these Polish exiles cast out by their own government to wander where they like , as they do .<br />
My point is that we can&#039;t keep on doing it , that either ourselves , the UK and the Danes will have to seek urgent meetings with the Polish Government , or the EU will have to do something about this , which is now assuming an epidemic of refugee proportions throughout Western Europe. </p>
<p>A few Polish people I asked and talked to about this recently  told me that they&#039; hope to head for Canada next . Meanwhile their government is coining it &#8211; and a couple of them actually agreed with me about the cruel and callous nature of their own Polish Government in this regard .</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/new-political-party-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-110718</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  But can you please produce the figures for unemployed Polish people with verifiable sources?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  But can you please produce the figures for unemployed Polish people with verifiable sources?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bock , there are no sources, our own government has made certain of that . 
The calculations I offer are simple arithmetic based on projected figures . 
Even the UK government cannot say how many Eastern Europeans are presently in the UK ! 

As you know such censi are only taken about every five years .
The next such census should be next year then , 2011 .

But I doubt if anything like this will be allowed to get out . 

I want to add that I also have no objection to thousands of UK citizens now here for the better Irish dole , as England stood by us in our mass emigrations , and I think we owe them for that . 

But I do feel that an official meeting about this between the Irish Government and the Eastern European governments is long overdue , and also to put pressure on them to enable their own cirizens to live in some dignity and decency at home rather than being hunted out of their homelands . I believe that those who are paying the piper , the Irish , UK and Danish governments muct all put pressureon them , and on the EU to force them to conform to recognised norms in social justice , rather than making it impossible for all these people to live in decency and dignity at home .

BTW I don&#039;t see why their religion is quoted here or what relevance that would or should have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bock , there are no sources, our own government has made certain of that .<br />
The calculations I offer are simple arithmetic based on projected figures .<br />
Even the UK government cannot say how many Eastern Europeans are presently in the UK ! </p>
<p>As you know such censi are only taken about every five years .<br />
The next such census should be next year then , 2011 .</p>
<p>But I doubt if anything like this will be allowed to get out . </p>
<p>I want to add that I also have no objection to thousands of UK citizens now here for the better Irish dole , as England stood by us in our mass emigrations , and I think we owe them for that . </p>
<p>But I do feel that an official meeting about this between the Irish Government and the Eastern European governments is long overdue , and also to put pressure on them to enable their own cirizens to live in some dignity and decency at home rather than being hunted out of their homelands . I believe that those who are paying the piper , the Irish , UK and Danish governments muct all put pressureon them , and on the EU to force them to conform to recognised norms in social justice , rather than making it impossible for all these people to live in decency and dignity at home .</p>
<p>BTW I don&#039;t see why their religion is quoted here or what relevance that would or should have.</p>
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